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Financial Fair Play investigation

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The whole thing stinks to high heaven. The hypocrisy of this league.

There's Everton using its own cash to spend via its owner while the likes of United are run on a mountain of debt.

It's absurd.

And when you add in the fact that the PL have been hand in glove with this club for 18 months encouraging it to think they were ok, and controlling our financial transactions with that in mind, to get referred by that body is an utter 'kin disgrace and their referral should be laughed at and dismissed immediately.
 
I remember I used to get all sorts of stick on here for realising Moshiri was a con man and would destroy this club.

Just read the esk's view on this latest s**tshow. He reckons funding (which we have struggled to get anyway) will now be impossible until this concludes. Baring in mind the investigation will take beards anyway then there will be inevitable appeals etc we will basically be totally reliant on that toad Moshiri for funding the entire stadium to continue work happening. Part of me would rather it ground to a halt and it gets completed at a later date by someone who isn't a cancer eating away at this club.

Personally I feel at the end of my tether with it all now. Enjoyment disappeared long ago from this hobby.
Exactly this, I feel the same.

Supporting this club is just torture after torture and not one bit enjoyable apart from the 90 mins inside Goodison, I`m now 44 and I can only really remember us winning the 95 FA Cup whilst in that time many a small club that now vacate the lower leagues have won major honours.

If you were to look up stagnation in a football dictionary it would have our badge there.....
 
The whole thing stinks to high heaven. The hypocrisy of this league.

There's Everton using its own cash to spend via its owner while the likes of United are run on a mountain of debt.

It's absurd.

And when you add in the fact that the PL have been hand in glove with this club for 18 months encouraging it to think they were ok and controlling our financial transactions with that in mind, ti get referred by that body is an utter 'kin disgrace and their referral should be laughed at and dismissed immediately.

Dave if as you suggest, we allow Bill Kenwright to try to "schmooze" then you're opening the club up to all sorts of accusations of impropriety and prejudice of the proceedings

This isn't a Premier League General Meeting. It's more like a tribunal
 
Dave if as you suggest, we allow Bill Kenwright to try to "schmooze" then you're opening the club up to all sorts of accusations of impropriety and prejudice of the proceedings

This isn't a Premier League General Meeting. It's more like a tribunal
You're so naive mate. Not everything runs in straight lines in the real world.
 

The only club that hasn't gained an advantage from Everton breaching FFP is Everton. When we didn't have any money to spend we were a top 8 team., We had a better structure. We recruited smarter and performed better. The moment we started spending in an out of control way we have declined. whatever punishment we get from the PL for this is effectively us getting penalised for making ourselves a weaker team and not for giving us a competitive advantage.

You can bet your life that clubs that have been relegated over the last couple of years will argue that if it wasn't for us overspending they would have stayed up and we would have gone down. The reality is that it is overspending that has nearly go us relegated over the last couple of years not saved us from relegation. By overspending we were giving teams like Burnley a chance to stay up that they wouldn't have had from us if we had been on a stricter budget

All spending money like wet did meant we were paying stupid fees and astronomical wages for average players like Iceland for 45 million etc and dopey Davy Klassen. The clubs we bought these players from were the real beneficiaries of our gluttony not us. You only have to look at Brentford and Brighton to remember that is what we used to do. Their successes this season were the successes we used to have when we weren't spending money

The way FFP is structured is stupid. If over a couple of years you buy a load of players and put them on massive 5 years contracts then you are screwed for 5 years unless you can move those players on. Those average players are unlikely to move on because they wont want a drop in pay. You are never going to be able to correct it for the third year so that you drop back under . You are going to be in breach every year until those contracts run out so there has to be a gradual realignment

I thought that the Premier League had been applying common sense and realised this which was why we had that arrangement that we had to run everything through them, that we had to ask them permission to sign players and spend money etc. You only have to look at the last two seasons to see the difference in the way we have spent money on players to show that we are trying to realign ourselves. It just cant happen as quickly as the FFP rules dictate it has to
 
And that's thanks to the rules. Imagine what our finances would be like now without the pressure to get the losses down? There's good and bad points with them but they're designed to keep clubs solvent which is why a majority signed up for them. Clubs running losses of £100m+ every year is not sustainable. We'll be a profitable football club at BMD or can run at a slight loss within the rules.

Take the likely fine and move forward.

To a point yes. But if we go down because we sold James Digne Kean Allan Richarlison Gordon (didn’t replace Siggurdson) and replaced them with cheaper players then the financial damage to the club will be far greater than if Moshiri had just continued to bankroll losses for a longer period.

The regulations eventually bring all clubs in line with their revenue bracket. But football isn’t supposed to be played that way, otherwise we may as well just order the teams by their revenue at the start of every season and not bother with the football.

The losses that Chelsea and City incurred to break into the top 4 and regular champions league revenue would now not be allowed. Were those two clubs damaged by running year on year losses for a period as they tried to establish themselves?

Without these regulations we might have been able to keep James, we might have been able to give Benitez more than 1.5 mill to spend in the summer window, we could have done better than Dele Alli and Van Der Beek for Lampard in January, we could have got another striker in the summer or in January. The club might not have been in two successive relegation battles.

Now before the usual people start shrieking about how we’ve wasted 500 million and deserve everything we get and should never be allowed to spend any money again, then the two aren’t mutually exclusive (for the millionth time)

Just because we dug ourselves into a hole doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ever be allowed to climb out of it again. Liverpool wasted cash hand over fist before Klopp arrived, United between Ferguson and Van Gaal spent awfully, how many bad signings did Newcastle and Villa make as they were being relegated, or even Leeds all the way back in the day.

You won’t find any of these fans going ‘thank goodness for the regulations, it’s saved us from ourselves’. No they just want to look forward and get on with improving the club.

To put it simply, after a failed attempt to make the champions league under Koeman and Silva, instead of Everton gearing up for another tilt at it under Ancelotti with an open chequebook from Moshiri , we’ve now been in two relegation battles after being forced to sell all our best players because of these regulations

So now instead of the extremely unlikely event of Moshiri calling in his losses at the club and not being able to find someone who would buy us leading to our administration, we’ve now got the far more likely scenario of relegation at some point, and lower table mediocrity as the alternative. So which of these is more damaging to the club?

The regulations are nothing more than a protectionist racket to keep the big clubs at the top and all the other clubs in a never ending battle with profit and loss being forced to sell their best players periodically. It will happen to Leicester now, it will happen to Villa after that, and if Newcastle don’t make the CL then they’ll be forced to comply to.
 
Dave if as you suggest, we allow Bill Kenwright to try to "schmooze" then you're opening the club up to all sorts of accusations of impropriety and prejudice of the proceedings

This isn't a Premier League General Meeting. It's more like a tribunal
They'll definitely have professional sharks cross-examining him.

He'll bring up some antidote about how beguiling Michelle Pfeiffer was on the set of 'Cherrie' trying to deflect from answering the questions, and any lawyer worth his salt will shut him down ASAP. 'Mr. Chairman, what the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs?!?'
 

Yes, but without Moshiri there is no BMD. He's funded the lot with no other funding model available. He also cleared/capitalised all of our previous debts from years of ineptitude, when the club's relative stock was in a managed decline, papered over only by Moyes building teams from nothing, having to sell to buy. We were overtaken in terms of infrastructure and income by all of our peers and several more besides. The same chairman found a mug who was prepared to part with his cash (and his mate) and who fancied playing absent landlord(s). Bk promptly blew his warchest too, and we've still not recovered. This is just all of that coming home to roost.

My points exactly, both the owner and board as a symptom are incompetent and led to the likes of these losses - yet the owner gets pretty much a free ride because we need him. Incidentally we never posted losses of this scale under Kenwright’s ownership, that’s not a defence just a fact, the change agent in recent years is the owner, but everyone’s prepared to tolerate and collude with him and focus on the board - because we are dependent on him, despite clear incompetence. The board being used as the lightening rod like I said they are a symptom and targeting them and ignoring the owner is pulling your punches, its weeing in the wind really.
 
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Funny you say next year as year 3, that is up to and including June this year, 3 months time but we wont hear about it for another year..... Such is the incompetence of this board!

Well the financial year won’t end until the 31st of June mate but we can reasonably assume given 40 mill for Gordon and 24 mill for Kean, 64 mill hitting the books and a loss this year of Say 50 mill we are in profit.
 
To a point yes. But if we go down because we sold James Digne Kean Allan Richarlison Gordon (didn’t replace Siggurdson) and replaced them with cheaper players then the financial damage to the club will be far greater than if Moshiri had just continued to bankroll losses for a longer period.

Up until the point the money runs out, yes. Then you're screwed. We'd be another Portsmouth or Leeds. If Moshiri just carried on running mad losses we'd be in genuine danger of going under.

We'd be up to our necks in debt right now if not for these rules (because of Moshiri's incompetence) and could probably forget the new stadium now the money has run out. Moshiri has been begging for investors for the last year. Everton are a textbook case of why the rules were brought in and why a majority of PL clubs voted for them to come in.

It'll do us a favour in the long run once we're settled on BMD and breaking even. The problem is going to be paying for the stadium to be completed.
 
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