2021/22 Frank Lampard

[davek]

Proper boring voice too. Always switch off my ears when I hear:

" And now we'll go to Alistair from the BBC"

I'm also convinced the Irish fella ramps up his accent.

I'm just amazed we didn't get one of the Patterson lobby pushing his case again....after his Cafu-type single run through a defense of Polish bricklayers.

 

[Tel001]

If that happens in games then that happens. But there's only a couple of teams in the PL who you will concede 3 against in the opening 45 minutes if you get behinhd the ball as a team. Against most you'll shut them out entirely if you choose to negate them.

That’s simply not true .. Rafael tried exactly that for half a season and look how that went . Even our early season wins all came from behind . You can’t shut out teams when you have kenny, Keane , holgate , Coleman and Godfrey as your defence

 

[davek]

That’s simply not true .. Rafael tried exactly that for half a season and look how that went . Even our early season wins all came from behind . You can’t shut out teams when you have kenny, Keane , holgate , Coleman and Godfrey as your defence

That's because the team had to rely on Gray and Townsend alone for its cutting edge due to injuries. We have a full compliment pretty much now to play a counter attacking game.

And remember this: under Benitez we still managed a point per game and we scored more goals per match. So if that had prevailed we'd be a couple of more points closer to safety than now.

 

[Thomasc]

I wanted Lampard from all the names in the media.

If we lost to Newcastle/got spanked, if I was Moshiri knowing Lampard was never first choice - I'd have switched it/gambled. Nothing personal, but 6 league defeats in 7 would have been too much - wrong timing for him/Everton's survival come first.

Thankfully, he got the result and hopefully he can kick on and never look back. I'd like to see Lampard take us into a new season with a summer behind him and build - but, and I'm like a stuck record - he has to

1. stop deflecting and finger pointing (pointing at excuse after excuse), and learn this;

You call it deflection and finger pointing, I call it seeing as it is and telling the truth.

The lack of effort and lack of mental strength from this group needs to be highlighted, then they might acquire some self awareness and start trying to change that.

 

[davek]

You call it deflection and finger pointing, I call it seeing as it is and telling the truth.

The lack of effort and lack of mental strength from this group needs to be highlighted, then they might acquire some self awareness and start trying to change that.

I'm a supporter of Lampard 100%. That wont change in the coming weeks either.

But if there's one thing that's troubling me right now it's his demeanour. Apart from when we get results it doesn't exude calm and determined leadership. He looks a bit concerned and border-line stroppy.

Maybe what face he shows the players is different, but it's important to project a commanding and assured image to fans at this stage too.

 

[rockin' robin]

Already looking a bit strained as he did at the end at Chelsea. I’d stick with him though.

 

[Thomasc]

I'm a supporter of Lampard 100%. That wont change in the coming weeks either.

But if there's one thing that's troubling me right now it's his demeanour. Apart from when we get results it doesn't exude calm and determined leadership. He looks a bit concerned and border-line stroppy.

Maybe what face he shows the players is different, but it's important to project a commanding and assured image to fans at this stage too.

He’s probably never seen a weaker group of players and actually didn’t realise how bad they are when he took the job.

He’s passionate and a winner, so possibly finds it hard to curtail his disappointment.

 

[ramacca]

First thing is that Lampard is the manager and he's there to do a job - in this instance avoid relegation. But a mate, not an Evertonian, said to me the other day, 'is his heart really in it' after his last interview against Palace. Lampard has to come up with a way of playing away from home that gets points against in particular Burnley and Palace and hopefully some against West Ham and Liverpool. That may mean a change in the way we play - packed defence and counter attack.

 

[davek]

He’s probably never seen a weaker group of players and actually didn’t realise how bad they are when he took the job.

He’s passionate and a winner, so possibly finds it hard to curtail his disappointment.

He's going to have to. What we dont need is a man who looks downcast and handing the opposition a leg up.

 

[Clarky cat]

Agree with all of that except the Coleman one. This lad has been a fantastic player for us over many years and a fine example. He doesn't pick himself and it isn't his fault previous managers have left us with a good enough replacement. Please get off the man's back

He has, but should he get an infinite free pass because of the past? Regardless of how abject he’s been? Regardless of the players not now or ever pulling their tripe out for his “captaincy”? Regardless of him now being targeted by the opposition as the weak link?
Sentiment has riddled this club with the current malaise running through it. Any fan of the club have seen Seamus being excellent on the pitch and off it, professional on the pitch and off it, part of a potent team which could attack and defend on the right hand side but now he’s absolutely part of the problem. If he plays poorly he’s going to get dug out and he’s been poor for a long while now. Lampard needs to stop picking players because of their past standing, especially if they are culpable in the team being where they currently are in the table. Over to you Frank, time to step up and be the boss

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You call it deflection and finger pointing, I call it seeing as it is and telling the truth.

The lack of effort and lack of mental strength from this group needs to be highlighted, then they might acquire some self awareness and start trying to change that.

"It needs to be highlighted"

Everyone knows there's a lack of mental strength - that's nothing new - as I said Ancelotti said it, as did Benitez. Club captain too. This teams form fell of a cliff under Ancelotti. Benitez first 13 league games, were equal to Ancelotti's last 13. We sacked Benitez a few league games later.

In his first couple of weeks Lampard was quick to brush off what was before him, and rightly so. He said he wouldn't be in the job if everything before him was fine. He was now Everton manager, and he come in with us 16th, 4 points from relegation with a game in hand. He had 18 games to play. Refreshing.

What's happened, is Lampard has started to consistently talk about what was before him as an excuse. It's self preservation, protecting himself, his PR.

Wish he was as good at setting up a team as he was covering his arse.

Southampton
“I know they’re good lads, I know they want to react, but sometimes when you’ve been in a hard run of form away from home – and generally before I got here – it’s easy to seep back into,”

City
“If the table doesn’t look great in a couple of weeks, so be it. It didn’t look great when I came,”

Spurs
“We’re 17th for a reason: before I got here. There’s a clear discrepancy in home and away form, issues that were there before me and don’t take care of themselves overnight. The players understand the gravity of the situation. They understood it before I arrived because they had been on a long run without a win,”

Wolves
“Myself and the staff came in with the team on a bad run, used to the feeling of losing and not getting points,”

^ All that and more.

Lampard is very clever, perhaps so much so that a lot of fans can't see it but for me, he has to pack it in with the narrative/talking about what was before him and embrace the here and now. There's no time for licking wounds, or even worse - self preservation when in a relegation scrap.

If Lampard wants to keep talking about what was before him, then maybe he could start being asked why under him we're averaging less points per game, scoring less and conceding more under him than what was before him.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

First thing is that Lampard is the manager and he's there to do a job - in this instance avoid relegation. But a mate, not an Evertonian, said to me the other day, 'is his heart really in it' after his last interview against Palace. Lampard has to come up with a way of playing away from home that gets points against in particular Burnley and Palace and hopefully some against West Ham and Liverpool. That may mean a change in the way we play - packed defence and counter attack.

Yes he should change away from home and he probably will, maybe he seen palace, especially with the personal we had missing as a free hit. That went wrong and we shouldn’t be getting 5 at spurs and 4 at palace.

But his hearts not in, what a load of rubbish, he’s turned down previous jobs, like George Graham used to say every time he got a job, these group of players got the last manager sacked. Well this group have got 3/4 sacked.

What’s the point in changing managers, we need some continuity and with a new DOF, we need to give him and frank a few years because any new manager will also have the same problems, he will need to get rid of a lot of players( which is a good thing imo) and rebuild. I’d rather let a young hungry manager have a chance, Than getting rid and attracting a mercenary has been who’s just after a quick pay day and couldn’t really careless.

Frank is getting criticised from quite a few angles, failed at derby, failed at Chelsea. Everton job to big. I’m sure he will want to prove a lot of people wrong.

 

[Zatara]

"It needs to be highlighted"

Everyone knows there's a lack of mental strength - that's nothing new - as I said Ancelotti said it, as did Benitez. Club captain too. This teams form fell of a cliff under Ancelotti. Benitez first 13 league games, were equal to Ancelotti's last 13. We sacked Benitez a few league games later.

In his first couple of weeks Lampard was quick to brush off what was before him, and rightly so. He said he wouldn't be in the job if everything before him was fine. He was now Everton manager, and he come in with us 16th, 4 points from relegation with a game in hand. He had 18 games to play. Refreshing.

What's happened, is Lampard has started to consistently talk about what was before him as an excuse. It's self preservation, protecting himself, his PR.





^ All that and more.

Lampard is very clever, perhaps so much so that a lot of fans can't see it but for me, he has to pack it in with the narrative/talking about what was before him and embrace the here and now. There's no time for licking wounds, or even worse - self preservation when in a relegation scrap.

If Lampard wants to keep talking about what was before him, then maybe he could start being asked why under him we're averaging less points per game, scoring less and conceding more under him than what was before him.

He's said that implementing his style will take some time as seen with Howe needing time before Newcastle adapted and started to pick up points.

Looks like a straightforward response to me.

 

[Zatara]

Yes he should change away from home and he probably will, maybe he seen palace, especially with the personal we had missing as a free hit. That went wrong and we shouldn’t be getting 5 at spurs and 4 at palace.

But his hearts not in, what a load of rubbish, he’s turned down previous jobs, like George Graham used to say every time he got a job, these group of players got the last manager sacked. Well this group have got 3/4 sacked.

What’s the point in changing managers, we need some continuity and with a new DOF, we need to give him and frank a few years because any new manager will also have the same problems, he will need to get rid of a lot of players( which is a good thing imo) and rebuild. I’d rather let a young hungry manager have a chance, Than getting rid and attracting a mercenary has been who’s just after a quick pay day and couldn’t really careless.

Frank is getting criticised from quite a few angles, failed at derby, failed at Chelsea. Everton job to big. I’m sure he will want to prove a lot of people wrong.

If he keeps us up then I could see him really building something with Everton.

Think he'd be at the club a long time.

Just needs short term results.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He's said that implementing his style will take some time as seen with Howe needing time before Newcastle adapted and started to pick up points.

Looks like a straightforward response to me.

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The quotes are from multiple games and him talking about what was before him.

But on his 'style', I'm of the view for now he needs to be pragmatic and pick a setup or 'style' and stick with it. Confidence is already on the floor, it's not going to help if nobody knows whether they're coming or going.

Be pragmatic - accept/understand our defence is atrocious so lets not make them any more vulnerable by pressing so high - especially away from home. It's a big reason why we've been spanked in every away game.

And, as my replies earlier - stop crying it in about what was before you. It serves only as excuses - you can't control what was before you, there's a time to reflect and rebuild - that's not now.