2021/22 Frank Lampard

[Saint Domingo]

Play at the level we did against City against United and w shave a chance of beating them. That’s all we can hope for at the moment

 

[Egil Olsen]

Some of the players are poisonous. They realise this is the last fat wedge they will ever get again and will do whatever it takes to try slide in a new contract whilst there’s turmoil in the management position. They have no shame.

So if that's the conclusion, why dismiss Benitez, and replace him with a rather inexperienced manager who underperformed in Derby, and who has the lowest PPG in Chelsea's history in the PL under RA? What is it that makes Lampard so special, apart from the fact that he was a very good player, shouted at Klopp, and can talk the talk?

 

[Nymzee]

So if that's the conclusion, why dismiss Benitez, and replace him with a rather inexperienced manager who underperformed in Derby, and who has the lowest PPG in Chelsea's history in the PL under RA? What is it that makes Lampard so special, apart from the fact that he was a very good player, shouted at Klopp, and can talk the talk?

Well we dismissed Benitez because we were hurtling down the table. As for his replacement, that’s on the club, we waited so long there were only two candidates left and Lampard > Pereira.

 

[ToffeeTim]

So if that's the conclusion, why dismiss Benitez, and replace him with a rather inexperienced manager who underperformed in Derby, and who has the lowest PPG in Chelsea's history in the PL under RA? What is it that makes Lampard so special, apart from the fact that he was a very good player, shouted at Klopp, and can talk the talk?

Because squad overhauls need long term approaches and Benitez was never going to last. He was an appalling fit, he patronised the fans, he played diabolical park the bus football but couldn't defend set plays. The only manager in world football who would have been a more bizarre appointment would have been the Aston Villa manager...

 

[Egil Olsen]

It’s been the same effect so far as Benitez (almost identical win rate) but to use Newcastle et al as a metric ignores what they’ve done. The rest of the league doesn’t stand still whilst we play games.

If it has been the same effect as Benitez then he could not possibly have had a positive effect. Benitez was fired. In addition, new managers tend to have a short-term effect, something Benitez had, but it has not been under Lampard.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

There isn't a manager alive who could get anymore out of this group of players.
We need to go down ( if it has to be ) with a little bit of dignity. We need to man up and take our medicine. Lampard is our manager sacking him now just makes us more of a laughing stock.

Frank is potentially right man but wrong time. This summer was the one where we lose a lot of dead wood with contracts expiring and I thought the perfect chance to actually start building a competent squad. We need an identity and I do think Lampard given time could do that.

However, all bets are off if we go down, God knows what he will be building from if he even is still there himself.

 

[Nymzee]

If it has been the same effect as Benitez then he could not possibly have had a positive effect. Benitez was fired. In addition, new managers tend to have a short-term effect, something Benitez had, but it has not been under Lampard.

I don’t know where in my post I used the word positive? Are you advocating we never should have fired him or that we should have but just not hired Lampard?

 

[Egil Olsen]

Well we dismissed Benitez because we were hurtling down the table. As for his replacement, that’s on the club, we waited so long there were only two candidates left and Lampard > Pereira.

And it continues with Lampard. Possibly the owners only managed to find two candidates, but that says quite a lot about how incompetent they are. And Lampard should never have been a candidate.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If it has been the same effect as Benitez then he could not possibly have had a positive effect. Benitez was fired. In addition, new managers tend to have a short-term effect, something Benitez had, but it has not been under Lampard.

I'm happy for people to argue Lampard was the wrong appointment. I don't agree, but the results are bad and there's no way around that.

But I'm absolutely not happy for people to say Benitez should have got more time. A big reason why we are going down is he was allowed 6 weeks too long. He should never have been appointed and did far worse than my worst expectations.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

We've shipped 9 goals in 3 games against Burnley, Crystal Palace and West Ham.

He's been dealt a tough hand but he couldn't organise a Defence at Chelsea either.

The English Brown Shoes.

 

[Egil Olsen]

I don’t know where in my post I used the word positive? Are you advocating we never should have fired him or that we should have but just not hired Lampard?

As things turned out, it became virtually impossible for Benitez to continue. So I understand the decision, but I think it's wrong to replace him with a freshman like Lampard, who has not really shown anything but living on his name. That said, I think we would have been better off if we had kept Benitez, but that's hypothetical. Benitez, although not liked, is a far more reputable manager than Lampard, and has had a brilliant career.

 

[ToffeeTim]

We've shipped 9 goals in 3 games against Burnley, Crystal Palace and West Ham.

He's been dealt a tough hand but he couldn't organise a Defence at Chelsea either.

The English Brown Shoes.

About 7 individual errors in those 9.

How does a manager seriously stop the second and third goal on Wednesday?

The second goal we had 3 players skinned inside about 2 seconds - DCL, Gordon and Kenny. All of them missed their tackles, and were in perfect positions.

The third goal comes from a sliced clearance by Pickford, Doucoure falls asleep from a throw in. Then Godfrey tries to clear the ball like he's never played football before. What on earth can Lampard do? Should he be rolling balls in training at professional footballers to teach them not to shank it?

 

[BlueStevie35]

And it continues with Lampard. Possibly the owners only managed to find two candidates, but that says quite a lot about how incompetent they are. And Lampard should never have been a candidate.

Why shouldn’t he? Had every right to apply for the job and be considered based on Derby and his full season with Chelsea, it was his predecessor who should never have been a candidate

 

[Egil Olsen]

I'm happy for people to argue Lampard was the wrong appointment. I don't agree, but the results are bad and there's no way around that.

But I'm absolutely not happy for people to say Benitez should have got more time. A big reason why we are going down is he was allowed 6 weeks too long. He should never have been appointed and did far worse than my worst expectations.

Those who run a football club always have a list of potential managers, just in case. If the alternatives were Benitez versus Lampard, then you live in coco-land if you think the odds will be better under Lampard. My point is that it was not necessarily wrong to fire Benitez, but as long as the alternative was Lampard, it would have been better to wait.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Those who run a football club always have a list of potential managers, just in case. If the alternatives were Benitez versus Lampard, then you live in coco-land if you think the odds will be better under Lampard. My point is that it was not necessarily wrong to fire Benitez, but as long as the alternative was Lampard, it would have been better to wait.

Fine, fair enough

I think Lampard is the right man, although might be the wrong time. But there is no right manager with this squad because they are the wrong players.