2021/22 Frank Lampard

[Marius57]

Im impressed by him thus far. A bit naive at times, but the he is changing the atmosphere at the club and we’re starting to see signs of better play. Too bad he wasnt brought in after that awful Watford game, i bet we would be comfortable in 14th if he did.

I think we would be higher than that if he had had longer. Look how long it took Eddie howe to get results sticking at newcastle.

He got 1 win from his first 9. Then the system settled and they actually look like a team now.

They appointed him early enough so that that could happen. We waited until it was too late for that meaning the pressure was on from day 1.

 

[Bluedyhell]

The problem is there are a handful of genuine good managers in world football at present.

Klopp
Pep
Simeone
Carlo
Tuchel?
Poch?
Jose?

To have even attracted one of them to a club like ours is a plus for Moshiri.

People slate our managerial appointments but none were abysmal choices really - Leicester appointed Puel, Villa have appointed Slippy G and Dean Smith, Newcastle Bruce, Pardew, Utd Ole G, RS Woy Hodgson even Chelsea have had a few suspect managers like Avram Grant and Di Mattaeo.

We just have a very high opinion of ourselves as a fanbase.

Ancelotti, Koeman, Benitez, Alladyce, Silva are not horrendous appointments for a midtable club like us.

Yes to all except Benitez. You can also add Martinez into that.

 

[Bluedyhell]

I think we would be higher than that if he had had longer. Look how long it took Eddie howe to get results sticking at newcastle.

He got 1 win from his first 9. Then the system settled and they actually look like a team now.

They appointed him early enough so that that could happen. We waited until it was too late for that meaning the pressure was on from day 1.

However also spent £85m in the Jan transfer window. Look at their results since then. This would have helped a bit.

 

[Bluedyhell]

The problem is there are a handful of genuine good managers in world football at present.

Klopp
Pep
Simeone
Carlo
Tuchel?
Poch?
Jose?

To have even attracted one of them to a club like ours is a plus for Moshiri.

People slate our managerial appointments but none were abysmal choices really - Leicester appointed Puel, Villa have appointed Slippy G and Dean Smith, Newcastle Bruce, Pardew, Utd Ole G, RS Woy Hodgson even Chelsea have had a few suspect managers like Avram Grant and Di Mattaeo.

We just have a very high opinion of ourselves as a fanbase.

Ancelotti, Koeman, Benitez, Alladyce, Silva are not horrendous appointments for a midtable club like us.

Yes to all except Benitez. You can also add Martinez into that.

I see. To me he justified it by continuing to play horrendous footy when really there was no need. He could have tried other things to show he could have had another season. IMO if he did that the fans would have accepted it.

We haven't sacked Lampard yet - and we shouldn't do really whatever happens. If we go down, accept it, but we need some continuity. The onus would be on him and his staff to bring us back up. He wouldn't be blameless, of course he wouldn't, but not sacking the Pig Man earlier than we did is the real reason we're in this mess.

Where is the evidence to suggest Lampard would have done better if he had been hired earlier? Have you not noticed we are moving down the table? Where was/is the new manager bounce? He was appointed on a wave of fan pressure so I guess it is difficult to admit being wrong.

 

[BlueToff]

I never said we're sacking Lampard.

The post that I quoted said 'If Lampard did that we wouldn't have sacked him'

 

[BlueToff]

Yes to all except Benitez. You can also add Martinez into that.

Where is the evidence to suggest Lampard would have done better if he had been hired earlier? Have you not noticed we are moving down the table? Where was/is the new manager bounce? He was appointed on a wave of fan pressure so I guess it is difficult to admit being wrong.

I didn't actually want Lampard - I just wanted him over the final list of candidates.

And I didn't say that Lampard being given more time earlier in the season would have guaranteed him to be a 'success'.

It's very simple: not sacking Benitez until mid-January wasted half of the transfer window, further disillusioned the fans and players and gave him 6 weeks in which he pretty much ran the club after Brands left. It also meant that the final list of candidates was pretty poor.

If they'd sacked Benitez in December or November, which is when he should have gone, we'd have had much more time - whoever came in.

Given we've lost two home games under FL, and one of them was to City in which we should have had the chance to get a point, then I'd be confident we'd have done better in games against Brighton and Villa at home even if it was him who was appointed. But if we'd have binned Fat Boy earlier we'd have had a better list anyway.

 

[nsno-chris]

I didn't actually want Lampard - I just wanted him over the final list of candidates.

And I didn't say that Lampard being given more time earlier in the season would have guaranteed him to be a 'success'.

It's very simple: not sacking Benitez until mid-January wasted half of the transfer window, further disillusioned the fans and players and gave him 6 weeks in which he pretty much ran the club after Brands left. It also meant that the final list of candidates was pretty poor.

If they'd sacked Benitez in December or November, which is when he should have gone, we'd have had much more time - whoever came in.

Given we've lost two home games under FL, and one of them was to City in which we should have had the chance to get a point, then I'd be confident we'd have done better in games against Brighton and Villa at home even if it was him who was appointed. But if we'd have binned Fat Boy earlier we'd have had a better list anyway.

You need to amend that first line to read something like this:
I didn't actually want Lampard - I just wanted him over the final list of candidates that Kia Joorabchian provided

 

[Nymzee]

The post that I quoted said 'If Lampard did that we wouldn't have sacked him'

Yes, if Lampard had come in and got us to 8th we wouldn't sack him for it.

If Benitez had us 8th, we wouldn't have sacked him.

So Allardyce getting us up to 8th and then sacking him was unjust.

I can't write it more plainly.

 

[PhilM]

However also spent £85m in the Jan transfer window. Look at their results since then. This would have helped a bit.

Indeed he did, but the counter argument is that the right investment in the right manager and player can reap the rewards required.

They bought Guimaraes, Wood, Burn and Trippier with Targett on loan. Trippier has been injured for a while and Wood hasn't set the world alight.

So we're looking at Guimaraes, who looks good, and Burn and Targett who aren't anything special. The transfers have helped but it's an easy argument.

For us, Mykolenko is probably the only player who came in during January who you could argue has added to the actual XI.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes, if Lampard had come in and got us to 8th we wouldn't sack him for it.

If Benitez had us 8th, we wouldn't have sacked him.

So Allardyce getting us up to 8th and then sacking him was unjust.

I can't write it more plainly.

Got you.

'Wouldn't have' is past tense so hence the confusion, misread it

 

[Simon Buttle]

Indeed he did, but the counter argument is that the right investment in the right manager and player can reap the rewards required.

They bought Guimaraes, Wood, Burn and Trippier with Targett on loan. Trippier has been injured for a while and Wood hasn't set the world alight.

So we're looking at Guimaraes, who looks good, and Burn and Targett who aren't anything special. The transfers have helped but it's an easy argument.

For us, Mykolenko is probably the only player who came in during January who you could argue has added to the actual XI.

They don't have to be though, they're both 2 reliable PL performers who can be counted on week in/week out to do a job, steady eddie types and something which we lack.

 

[Drico]

Are you for real? When you say it was not the most difficult task in the world have you been watching our games this season? The players are garbage and the number of mistakes they have made in games whilst Lampard has been in charge is unreal.
Lampard might not have been the first or perfect choice and he has made mistakes but the players errors at Newcastle,Southampton,West Ham and Burnley are not on him…we are a very poor team with a weak mentality and low resilience to setbacks and I am not sure many other managers could have done much more.
We have to stop changing managers every 5 minutes because it is mainly the playing staff,that has been poorly recruited over the last 5 years,that is is the issue….the Board issues compound it further.

Am I for real? Ha ha. By your logic if it is all on the players we should never have sacked Benitez.

Lampard was hired to keep us up. We were not in the relegation zone. If he fails, he will be punted into the Mersey. And rightly so.

It's not that we have to stop sacking managers. It's we have to stop appointing useless managers. With this board, though, there is no evidence this cycle will be broken. Their latest choice is already in the danger zone.

 

[Drico]

The sackings will continue until the club stops making poor, ill-fitting appointments.

Precisely. The board is the fundamental problem in all of this - adding crap managers to the mix simply deepens our woes.

 

[roy vernon]

If Lampard is sacked in the short term I would start thinking Moshiri is insane.

Start?

 

[Drico]

If Lampard is sacked in the short term I would start thinking Moshiri is insane.

I recognised Moshiri's insanity with his appointment of Lampard, a "name" with zero record. A PR appointment that will end in tears.