2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Drico]

I never questioned he wasnt under pressure. I said he wasnt automatically 1 loss from the sack. Which he isnt.

Id still like to see your choice for manager. We can all say who we wouldnt want.

Tuchel. Complete pipe dream though. I wanted him in 2013 when he was at Mainz.

Pochettino would also have the CV having worked well at Southampton and Spurs. Again, most likely unattainable.

Thomas Frank is clearly also a very good manager, but he’s just signed an extension.

This is the level required if we are to remove Lampard, but none are realistic, it would seem. So we stick with what we have until his position becomes untenable. If we sack and replace with Moyes or Martinez, we should wind the club up.

I’m not interested in sacking just to survive. Sack ONLY if we have a man who can totally revamp us. Otherwise it is short-term window dressing.

All of this will hopefully be moot after the next two games. Four points and we can all breathe that little bit easier.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I stopped reading there.
They were basic goal difference stats.
Dont start with that xg bollocks that i didnt even go near to.

And my point is still the same - you could have Haaland up top but if you play Alladyceball your goal stats aint gonna be great.

Same way you could have Maldini at the back but play the way Martinez does you'll concede goals.

Its too simplistic to look at GF and GA and say thats down to our boss defenders and crap attackers. It'll have some correlation but you're basically saying we dont need a manager employed as results/stats solely come down to the players and not the tactics, system, transition from attack to defence and vice versa, etc.

 

[Mathieubleucoyb]

And my point is still the same - you could have Haaland up top but if you play Alladyceball your goal stats aint gonna be great.

Same way you could have Maldini at the back but play the way Martinez does you'll concede goals.

Its too simplistic to look at GF and GA and say thats down to our boss defenders and crap attackers. It'll have some correlation but you're basically saying we dont need a manager employed at results/stats all come down to the players and not the tactics, system etc.

So this point maybe saved Lampards job but it doesn’t save everton. We should still sack him 100%

 

[allen]

Up top would agree but midfield and defence and the GK are pretty solid.

Its a convenient excuse to justify the managers poor win % when last season most fans were demanding Benitez surpass Carlo's 59 points which would have likely meant top 7/8...

Up top is exactly where our problems are. No one with eyes can deny that.

It’s not an excuse to protect Lampard. It’s the truth. Scoring goals is really hard when your attack is as bad as ours.

I think he’s done a good job of shoring us up at the back, and centre mid is a lot better than it was this time last year.

Changing manager could be absolutely disastrous at this time, and there wouldn’t be time or scope for them to make whatever changes they’d deem necessary after getting to know the players.

I’d very much rather the devil I know.

We’re not in an ideal position whatever we do. But personally, I think we need to hold our nerve and hope that he have enough success with forward reinforcements in the January window - and that DCL is able to contribute more than he has so far this season.

We’re moving in the right direction. I honestly think we’ll be fine, but it won’t be easy.

 

[PhilM]

Afraid so. Can kick and scream all day long. Wont change how poorly the recruitment has been over a sustained 6/7 years.
Reality is it will take long to recover. And thats even if you have the right man in the job.

This is where I start to have an issue with the ol' NSNO philosophy where some fans expect success now. Next month, Moshiri will have been here six years.

Close to 80% of that has involved chronic mismanagement: lack of strategy; an inept leadership structure (board, DoF, manager); ad hoc and wreckless signings.

Some would argue even more if you include this season, but I'm being forgiving. Even if Thelwell and Lampard are the right men, it's going to take serious time.

Even if we were firing a bit better this season and sitting midtable, I'd be arguing that these were only short-term successes, with the long-term the key.

Financially, we have to be astute, thus we will need to continue to be frugal - we can't spend ourselves out of trouble. We need to jettison the expensive dross.

We've improved the defence and the midfield, yet we aren't finished there yet. Right now, we need to address up top, however with an eye elsewhere too.

Personally, I think we're going to need another two or three seasons to get to a point where we're actually stable, and that's if everything goes swimmingly.

Our motto may be NSNO, which we need to get back to, however right now we need to be doing the best we can currently do, which sadly isn't very high.

If someone said you'll be sitting mid-table for the next two years, I'd bite their hand off now. Lower aims? Maybe so, but let us be realistic of where we are.

We are going in the right direction... it's going to take time and patience, though. A new and competent centre-forward, with Dom staying fit, will do a lot of help!

 

[Gilbert..]

Tuchel. Complete pipe dream though. I wanted him in 2013 when he was at Mainz.

Pochettino would also have the CV having worked well at Southampton and Spurs. Again, most likely unattainable.

Thomas Frank is clearly also a very good manager, but he’s just signed an extension.

This is the level required if we are to remove Lampard, but none are realistic, it would seem. So we stick with what we have until his position becomes untenable. If we sack and replace with Moyes or Martinez, we should wind the club up.

I’m not interested in sacking just to survive. Sack ONLY if we have a man who can totally revamp us. Otherwise it is short-term window dressing.

All of this will hopefully be moot after the next two games. Four points and we can all breathe that little bit easier.

I'll give this more thought when im done at work.
Tuchel struggled at chelsea after spending 300m in one transfer window.
Truth is i have no idea if lampard is the long term answer.
But tuchel. Pottechino. Would struggle here in the first 12 months
Thomas frank lost 12 games on the bounce at brentford. That gets you the sack at Everton. It never at Brentford. He isnt under the same pressure as he would be here. Thats not to say he isnt a good manager. But the job here is under the microscope more than a brentford.

Good chat though.

 

[COYBL25]

This is where I start to have an issue with the ol' NSNO philosophy where some fans expect success now. Next month, Moshiri will have been here six years.

Close to 80% of that has involved chronic mismanagement: lack of strategy; an inept leadership structure (board, DoF, manager); ad hoc and wreckless signings.

Some would argue even more if you include this season, but I'm being forgiving. Even if Thelwell and Lampard are the right men, it's going to take serious time.

Even if we were firing a bit better this season and sitting midtable, I'd be arguing that these were only short-term successes, with the long-term the key.

Financially, we have to be astute, thus we will need to continue to be frugal - we can't spend ourselves out of trouble. We need to jettison the expensive dross.

We've improved the defence and the midfield, yet we aren't finished there yet. Right now, we need to address up top, however with an eye elsewhere too.

Personally, I think we're going to need another two or three seasons to get to a point where we're actually stable, and that's if everything goes swimmingly.

Our motto may be NSNO, which we need to get back to, however right now we need to be doing the best we can currently do, which sadly isn't very high.

If someone said you'll be sitting mid-table for the next two years, I'd bite their hand off now. Lower aims? Maybe so, but let us be realistic of where we are.

We are going in the right direction... it's going to take time and patience, though. A new and competent centre-forward, with Dom staying fit, will do a lot of help!

Bravo.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So this point maybe saved Lampards job but it doesn’t save everton. We should still sack him 100%

Nothing would make me happier than to see Frankel turn it around but I have major reservations based on what I've seen since his arrival. We had a Brazilian international and an in form Gordon up top last season and we were just as chod as we're now so the whole "we need a forward and we'll be sound" narrative is debatable.

Nothing against him as a person but EFC comes first and the only stat that I'm bothered about is 3 wins in 17 which isn't good enough.

 

[Simon Buttle]

He's going to Fulham isn't he

No idea mate

 

[ToffeeScot]

Is it now game by game? Any loss and he's sacked.

Is it now game by game? Any loss and he's sacked.

It should be unacceptable to have 3 wins in 18 games, yes.

 

[marsh]

Come on Frank get us some wins now please

 

[HarpersLob86]

This is where I start to have an issue with the ol' NSNO philosophy where some fans expect success now. Next month, Moshiri will have been here six years.

Close to 80% of that has involved chronic mismanagement: lack of strategy; an inept leadership structure (board, DoF, manager); ad hoc and wreckless signings.

Some would argue even more if you include this season, but I'm being forgiving. Even if Thelwell and Lampard are the right men, it's going to take serious time.

Even if we were firing a bit better this season and sitting midtable, I'd be arguing that these were only short-term successes, with the long-term the key.

Financially, we have to be astute, thus we will need to continue to be frugal - we can't spend ourselves out of trouble. We need to jettison the expensive dross.

We've improved the defence and the midfield, yet we aren't finished there yet. Right now, we need to address up top, however with an eye elsewhere too.

Personally, I think we're going to need another two or three seasons to get to a point where we're actually stable, and that's if everything goes swimmingly.

Our motto may be NSNO, which we need to get back to, however right now we need to be doing the best we can currently do, which sadly isn't very high.

If someone said you'll be sitting mid-table for the next two years, I'd bite their hand off now. Lower aims? Maybe so, but let us be realistic of where we are.

We are going in the right direction... it's going to take time and patience, though. A new and competent centre-forward, with Dom staying fit, will do a lot of help!

Exactly this. Patience is so important right now. I blame social media and Fan TV channels for causing storms in tea cups and stirring up their supporter base. It's imperative we stick with Lampard. He's young and hungry and is an astute manager.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It should be unacceptable to have 3 wins in 18 games, yes.

The problem with both our board and fanbase is both are very knee jerk. You can either be sacked or labelled "what a manager" with one single result same way the fans either rate you or hate you based on a last minute loss or scrappy point gained.

The Wolves result didn't change my view likewise did yesterday. Sadly we seem to have little to no mid-long term vision at the club hence why we bumble around doing nothing.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Up top is exactly where our problems are. No one with eyes can deny that.

It’s not an excuse to protect Lampard. It’s the truth. Scoring goals is really hard when your attack is as bad as ours.

I think he’s done a good job of shoring us up at the back, and centre mid is a lot better than it was this time last year.

Changing manager could be absolutely disastrous at this time, and there wouldn’t be time or scope for them to make whatever changes they’d deem necessary after getting to know the players.

I’d very much rather the devil I know.

We’re not in an ideal position whatever we do. But personally, I think we need to hold our nerve and hope that he have enough success with forward reinforcements in the January window - and that Dominic Calvert-Lewin is able to contribute more than he has so far this season.

We’re moving in the right direction. I honestly think we’ll be fine, but it won’t be easy.

A touch too positive imho as I don't know if we will be fine, especially given our rollercoaster ways it would just be our thing to miss a load of chances and lose the next two, but I agree with all the points you make.

A lot of the most vocal posters on here will slam the board for the financial mess we are in but ironically ultimately share the same goal - PL survival at ANY cost. So we end up panic buying players to keep us up and who often do but then will be half arsed the next season just eating up wages and restrict us from having a cohesive long term plan.

At somepoint we have to be brave to break that chain, if the worst does happen, and look no one wants us to get relegated, at least we can jettison the more mercenary type profiles from the squad and start again. If we get in hungry younger players as part of a more balanced team we should be able to compete in a lower division and hopefully grow and build up from there. Villa seemed to do this okay, we can't be always frightened of starving off relegation to keep our records (however proud of them we are) as it is actively harming us now. After a few of games into a season we are talking about the R word and the panic emits and is palpable all around the club.

 

[Mathieubleucoyb]

Bravo.

This lad is extremely emotional.
Careful with him guys.