2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Mathieubleucoyb]

It should be unacceptable to have 3 wins in 18 games, yes.

Lampard is English so he’s allowed to not get sacked and be the second worst manager to ever manage us.

 

[Blueclouds]

We know he can do defence, we do look stronger at the back and he brought two excellent defenders in.

I'm concerned about our attacking model, I'm not seeing any improvement in this.

He wasted his money on crap in the attacking front, it's obviously harder for lampard to bring quality in for peanuts but he wasted 25 million on two attackers.

 

[allen]

A touch too positive imho as I don't know if we will be fine, especially given our rollercoaster ways it would just be our thing to miss a load of chances and lose the next two, but I agree with all the points you make.

A lot of the most vocal posters on here will slam the board for the financial mess we are in but ironically ultimately share the same goal - PL survival at ANY cost. So we end up panic buying players to keep us up and who often do but then will be half arsed the next season just eating up wages and restrict us from having a cohesive long term plan.

At somepoint we have to be brave to break that chain, if the worst does happen, and look no one wants us to get relegated, at least we can jettison the more mercenary type profiles from the squad and start again. If we get in hungry younger players as part of a more balanced team we should be able to compete in a lower division and hopefully grow and build up from there. Villa seemed to do this okay, we can't be always frightened of starving off relegation to keep our records (however proud of them we are) as it is actively harming us now. After a few of games into a season we are talking about the R word and the panic emits and is palpable all around the club.

Being positive is an effort, and frankly it’s a coping mechanism because I feel like we have next to no choice. We have to hang tight and hope.

I do feel like Lampard has what it takes. I’m honestly more worried about Thelwell. His record is mixed, and recruitment is where we will stand or fall.

 

[PhilM]

Exactly this. Patience is so important right now. I blame social media and Fan TV channels for causing storms in tea cups and stirring up their supporter base. It's imperative we stick with Lampard. He's young and hungry and is an astute manager.

I think it's having a balanced approach that is key. If he ain't doing the job and our survival is at risk, we've at least got to be open to the idea of change.

However, we've got to be mindful of not engaging in the now common managerial merry-go-round, where we fail to give managers time - it's knee-jerk.

Look at how long it took Kendall and Ferguson to succeed; you could think of the likes of Moyes and how over time the club went from strength to strength.

But equally, if Lampard doesn't get the results, his position has to be considered. The crux of the matter then is what is deemed acceptable by the club.

Even if Lampard was axed, the next manager is going to walk into the club in a similar state of affairs, which isn't going to be fixed overnight.

Let's be clear, the current form isn't good enough, so we've got to see what the cause of that is. If it's mainly Frank, so be it. If it's deeper than that, give time.

Personally, I really want Frank to succeed as ideally stability would be brilliant - we need to grow. Look at the recent success stories, and patience is the word.

The people who were foaming at the mouth with delight due to the prospect of his departure post-City aren't helping the situation.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Lampard is English so he’s allowed to not get sacked and be the second worst manager to ever manage us.

Again what’s his nationality got to do with anything?

 

[Billy Dean]

I'll give this more thought when im done at work.
Tuchel struggled at chelsea after spending 300m in one transfer window.
Truth is i have no idea if lampard is the long term answer.
But tuchel. Pottechino. Would struggle here in the first 12 months
Thomas frank lost 12 games on the bounce at brentford. That gets you the sack at Everton. It never at Brentford. He isnt under the same pressure as he would be here. Thats not to say he isnt a good manager. But the job here is under the microscope more than a brentford.

Good chat though.

Tuchel and Poch are high class experienced managers who have managed small clubs before so I think they’d be fine with this team. They wouldn’t come here though

 

[allen]

I think it's having a balanced approach that is key. If he ain't doing the job and our survival is at risk, we've at least got to be open to the idea of change.

I think this is the key argument.

And personally, the massive gamble of getting someone in without the time or money to do what they think they might need to with the squad means I’d rather stick with Lampard and let him carry on with the slow, painful rebuild.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I think it's having a balanced approach that is key. If he ain't doing the job and our survival is at risk, we've at least got to be open to the idea of change.

However, we've got to be mindful of not engaging in the now common managerial merry-go-round, where we fail to give managers time - it's knee-jerk.

Look at how long it took Kendall and Ferguson to succeed; you could think of the likes of Moyes and how over time the club went from strength to strength.

But equally, if Lampard doesn't get the results, his position has to be considered. The crux of the matter then is what is deemed acceptable by the club.

Even if Lampard was axed, the next manager is going to walk into the club in a similar state of affairs, which isn't going to be fixed overnight.

Let's be clear, the current form isn't good enough, so we've got to see what the cause of that is. If it's mainly Frank, so be it. If it's deeper than that, give time.

Personally, I really want Frank to succeed as ideally stability would be brilliant - we need to grow. Look at the recent success stories, and patience is the word.

The people who were foaming at the mouth with delight due to the prospect of his departure post-City aren't helping the situation.

A good post sir however in nearly 12 months in the job Lampards average position is 16th. I wasn't old enough to remember Walker so this is the worst period of football I can remember even including Wally Smith.

We all want stability but stability has to be handed to the right person - i.e a manager who gets results and not one that just says the right tings (Martinez).

I think as a club we're hitching our wagon to the least equiped manager of the Moshiri era personally but time will tell.

 

[Billy Dean]

To be honest, people are creaming their pants over a point at City, if anything.

By now, people have had enough matches by which to judge Lampard. My view - and yesterday does not change this - is he is not up to it, but we should not replace him with a relic from our past.

He’s clinging on to the job by his fingertips. 3 wins from 17. Relegation form. 35 points from 36 games. Relegation form. A freak point at City is very welcome, but loose to Brighton and we are fast running out of winnable home games and time to make a real change that benefits from the window.

But I think the following 2 games are going to be much more critical for our survival. Under Lampard we’ve either tended to dig in and keep it tight, or play completely open. We’ve tended to get better results with the former so I hope he’ll go back to that

 

[derek duvall]

You clearly don’t see because I didn’t say that did I?
What I said was that I think he knows how to set up a team to not concede many goals and I think he could do the same if we had better attacking options but I think our problems attacking are more down to our squad than the tactics.
I don’t think I’ve ever said anyone was a ‘mastermind’ for a good performance.

The point is you’re happy to give him credit for his tactics/setup when we succeed, then fault the attackers when it doesn’t.

Example is Grey scoring an absolute worldie yesterday and Frank getting the credit. But then his worshippers are out of force when we lose, with their usual BS of ‘what do you expect with an attack consisting of £1.5m player’

 

[HarpersLob86]

I think it's having a balanced approach that is key. If he ain't doing the job and our survival is at risk, we've at least got to be open to the idea of change.

However, we've got to be mindful of not engaging in the now common managerial merry-go-round, where we fail to give managers time - it's knee-jerk.

Look at how long it took Kendall and Ferguson to succeed; you could think of the likes of Moyes and how over time the club went from strength to strength.

But equally, if Lampard doesn't get the results, his position has to be considered. The crux of the matter then is what is deemed acceptable by the club.

Even if Lampard was axed, the next manager is going to walk into the club in a similar state of affairs, which isn't going to be fixed overnight.

Let's be clear, the current form isn't good enough, so we've got to see what the cause of that is. If it's mainly Frank, so be it. If it's deeper than that, give time.

Personally, I really want Frank to succeed as ideally stability would be brilliant - we need to grow. Look at the recent success stories, and patience is the word.

The people who were foaming at the mouth with delight due to the prospect of his departure post-City aren't helping the situation.

Kendall was close to the sack in 83 after a run of poor results and then look what happened he managed to a build a successful team. Lampard knows what it takes to be successful in this league. He certainly deserves the next two windows to build his team. The signings of Coady, Onana and Guye are just the start. He needs time to fully build his team.

 

[PhilM]

A good post sir however in nearly 12 months in the job Lampards average position is 16th. I wasn't old enough to remember Walker so this is the worst period of football I can remember even including Wally Smith.

We all want stability but stability has to be handed to the right person - i.e a manager who gets results and not one that just says the right tings (Martinez).

I think as a club we're hitching our wagon to the least equiped manager of the Moshiri era personally but time will tell.

I agree. I'm not sure on Lampard (I believed in him, but that's starting to be questioned), however equally I believe that he's been shackled by many other factors.

Perhaps, just perhaps, our average position of 16th is a fair reflection of where we are as a club. It's not what we want, but I think about the last year.

The squad he inherited was shambolic and lacking in confidence: defensively, we were awful; our midfield was non-existent; Dom and Richy pulled us through.

One of them has been sold and not replaced (maybe he's to blame or is that Thelwell, or even a legacy of older decisions) and the other is far too injury prone.

Nevertheless, I look at the advancements at the back and in the midfield; it ain't rosy there and as I've said there's still work to be done, but it has improved.

If Lampard is given the tools to do the same with the front line, I do believe we will push up further to a point of mediocracy, and with that safety.

Does he have the capability to push further? Who knows, but right now I ain't thinking about that. We need to take small steps - small, marginal gains.

Right now, I simply want us to reach a position where we aren't looking over our shoulder all the time, and instead can buy the players to help improve us.

 

[ToffeeScot]

The problem with both our board and fanbase is both are very knee jerk. You can either be sacked or labelled "what a manager" with one single result same way the fans either rate you or hate you based on a last minute loss or scrappy point gained.

The Wolves result didn't change my view likewise did yesterday. Sadly we seem to have little to no mid-long term vision at the club hence why we bumble around doing nothing.

I like Lampard but it’s quite clear now he isn’t good enough. I wanted to wait and see how he could progress the side but he hasn’t. I don’t see how he’s going to progress us either.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I agree. I'm not sure on Lampard (I believed in him, but that's starting to be questioned), however equally I believe that he's been shackled by many other factors.

Perhaps, just perhaps, our average position of 16th is a fair reflection of where we are as a club. It's not what we want, but I think about of the last year.

The squad he inherited was shambolic and lacking in confidence: defensively, we were awful; our midfield was non-existent; Dom and Richy pulled us through.

One of them has been sold and not replaced (maybe he's to blame or is that Thelwell, or even a legacy of older decisions) and the other is far too injury prone.

Nevertheless, I look at the advancements at the back and in the midfield; it ain't rosy there and as I've said there's still work to be done, but it has improved.

If Lampard is given the tools to do the same with the front line, I do believe we will push up further to a point of mediocracy, and with that safety.

Does he have the capability to push further? Who knows, but right now I ain't thinking about that. We need to take small steps - small, marginal gains.

Right now, I simply want us to reach a position where we aren't looking over our shoulder all the time, and instead can buy the players to help improve us.

I think a good manager can have you over achieving and tbh I dont think we're as bad as 16th.

I concede WHU/Leicester/Villa have better squads overall but are Newcastle really good enough for 3rd with Joelinton, Chris Wood and Almeiron up top ?

Would the bulk of Fulham/Brentford/Bournemouths players get in our starting 11 ?

I think we're very critical of our own players and overhype other teams. Bournemouth put 7 past us with Solanke up top.

 

[matty1878]

If Frank loses to Brighton I can see him getting his marching orders. Still only 3 wins all season. That's not the standard you would expect from an Everton manager who splashed the cash in the summer

splashed lol lol lol

get a grip lad