2022/23 Frank Lampard

[hktoffee]

Burnley are a league one size club man - Dyche had bugger all to spend there yet kept them in the PL for a long time (despite rival clubs like Fulham spending £100+ millions in the transfer market) and took them into Europe.

I'll be old and grey by the time I see Lampard take any club outside the scab 6 into europe.

That's not to say that I think Dyche would work oot here but cmon he's streets ahead of the current fella in the dugout.

Not a name who can attract players. He will fill the teams with McNeil and Championship standard player.

 

[allen]

Didn't we once hire a phenomenal manager who'd just relegated Wigan?

It’s not a bullet point you look for on the old CV.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Not a name who can attract players. He will fill the teams with McNeil and Championship standard player.

I think the Everton jobs too big for him - but it also is for Lampard lets be honest.

 

[allen]

Burnley are a league one size club man - Dyche had bugger all to spend there yet kept them in the PL for a long time (despite rival clubs like Fulham spending £100+ millions in the transfer market) and took them into Europe.

I'll be old and grey by the time I see Lampard take any club outside the scab 6 into europe.

That's not to say that I think Dyche would work oot here but cmon he's streets ahead of the current fella in the dugout.

I’ve no idea how to even begin convincing anyone who thinks we should employ Sean Dyche that it’s a bad idea.

He relegated Burnley a matter of months ago - making it a self-evidently terrible idea. Just the worst.

There’s nothing else I can say on the subject other than that, ad nauseum.

 

[samsonthedog1]

Think IF he beats Brighton and Southampton at home (annoyingly the FA cup seems to be written off) he will get a stay of execution.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I’ve no idea how to even begin convincing anyone who thinks we should employ Sean Dyche that it’s a bad idea.

He relegated Burnley a matter of months ago - making it a self-evidently terrible idea. Just the worst.

There’s nothing else I can say on the subject other than that, ad nauseum.

My point was that he's better than Lampard, not that I would want him as EFC manager.

This is a tough job that needs either a proven quality manager or one with vast experience who's not yet finished.

 

[Ian]

Bollocks, sorry but bollocks.

We were a midtable team with Carlo Ancelotti as our manager and prime Richarlison, Dominic Calvert-Lewin upfront with James, Siggi, Signed in the team.

We’ve replaced them with Townsend, Gray, Gordon, Maupay and McNeil.

We’ve one, if not the poorest, forward options in the league. Our midfield has no goals in it. Our left back barely crosses the half way line.

The fact we’re spending £100ks a week on wages for people like Gomes, Mina, Keane and various other vastly overpaid deadwood is irrelevant.

Start of this season it was obvious there were no goals in the team, we’d struggle to score and we’d be down the bottom of the league. Mid table is fantasy, that’s where we were a few seasons ago - we’re miles from that now and it’s not the managers fault.

I agree with a lot of what you say. We replaced a good player up front with a couple of weaker players. We can all see that hasn't worked. I don't buy the Siggy thing. Go and read his thread. He was mostly useless. James was one of the best players I've seen in an Everton shirt but only for a few games. He was a passenger at times and also draining the bank account.

Plus you mention Dom as a player we had as if he's not here any more. The fact he was scoring under Carlo isn't a coincidence - it was good coaching. Maybe 'if' he can stay fit, he'll make a big difference but he's still in the team. Nobody is blaming Frank for his injuries.

We're paying huge wages for players that aren't in the team and have been for ages - nobody is denying these massive problems and again, nobody is blaming Frank for them; we're comparing our team with others in the division.

We replaced Keane, Holgate, Davies, Allan and Gomes with Tarks, Coady, Gana and Onana. These are clear upgrades and would be in the first 11 of most teams in the division. So overall not a worse team - just the weak areas have shifted from defence to attack. And not a worse team than others have. It's imbalanced but so are most teams outside the top 7.

To Frank and Kev's credit, we are more solid than we were defensively, largely because of these upgrades, and the upturn in Iwobi's form - again credit to Frank.

There have been a few worrying signs in the few games before City, though. We can all see the way Gana and Onana are deployed isn't making the most of their strengths.

I'd be more than happy to give Frank time if I could see there was a plan beyond copying Brentford for the game against City. I'd be less worried if we had a consistent shape or players were running hard to close down the opposition in key areas. City game aside, that hasn't been the case.

 

[Toffeelover]

Not a name who can attract players. He will fill the teams with McNeil and Championship standard player.

Heavens sake not Dyche.

 

[HarpersLob86]

Heavens sake not Dyche.

He'd take us back years, thankfully it will never happen and Lampard will lead us to glory.

 

[Gilbert..]

You could say that about any team who aren't doing well. It's not true.
Pickford is an England international.
Tarks is a good defender
Coady was in the England squad.
Patterson is young but was also one of the highest-rated young prospects in the country last year.
Gana is one of the better players in a decently ranked international team. He was playing for PSG last season.
Onana was one of the hottest young prospects in Europe and plays for one of the highest ranked international teams in the world.
Iwobi came to us as a regular starter in an Arsenal team that had just finished 5th and were runners-up in the Europa League.
Doucoure was highly sought after when he was at Watford and scored 17 goals in 3 seasons for them from midfield - not bad. He played at every level up to U-21 for France before opting for Mali because he couldn't quite get a place for the then World Champions.
Gordon was (allegedly) subject to bids of £40+ million last year.
Ignoring Dom, for obvious reasons, we're light in attack, which is a serious issue, but our team on paper is not worse than most of the division outside the top 7. You wouldn't actually swap our whole team (not the manager) for Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford, Palace or Leeds.

We have the 7th highest wage bill in the division. While not a perfect metric, it's the best single predictor of league position across all major leagues. You will struggle to find many teams in the whole of Europe who are underperforming as much as we are by that measure.

Where there are significant differences in wage bill compared with league position (i.e. 5+ league places), it's usually down to either (a) some structural issue, such as an FFP points deduction or (b) the manager.

If we had a manager who was achieving par with these players, we'd easily be mid-table.

When people are tarting up iwobi like he was a key player at Arsenal you know they are painting a cow shed in emulsion and trying to tell you its a quaint country cottage.

 

[overkill]

You’re on the losing side of the argument if you’re backing Dyche over Lampard.

He built that Burnley team over six years and still relegated them. They improved massively when he was sacked and went down anyway.

What on earth is there to suggest he’d be capable of coming in and turning this malformed Everton squad around?

They went down due to years of nothing being invested in the team, Bournemouth were similar.

They picked up a few.points after he was sacked because they hit a run of easier games and got a few players back.

He's premier league proven to be able to grind results out, not saying he's the savour or anything but he's better than Lampard.

However the time to sack lampard has probably gone now anyway, the time was in November.

 

[HarpersLob86]

They went down due to years of nothing being invested in the team, Bournemouth were similar.

They picked up a few.points after he was sacked because they hit a run of easier games and got a few players back.

He's premier league proven to be able to grind results out, not saying he's the savour or anything but he's better than Lampard.

However the time to sack lampard has probably gone now anyway, the time was in November.

 

[overkill]

When people have no argument they normally just go to giffs and emojis

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I miss Golfy.

 

[Terrarian]

When people have no argument they normally just go to giffs and emojis