2022/23 Frank Lampard

[billyblue80]

Looks like he's getting Saints as another make-or-break but we can't afford this game-to-game stuff we need points! Last night's effort will be painted as a heroic defeat by a board terrified and inert because they don't know what to do next. It's clear you either back the man and bring signings in or you sack him and do it now. Putting pressure on every game helps nobody and worsens our perilous situation. This I will remind you is our "kinder" run of games the fixtures after February look tough.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Why is he still here?

 

[Zeitgeist]

Why is he still here?

Just ridiculous

 

[davek]

It's an interesting take that but I disagree - I think in Mykolenko/Godfrey and Coleman/Holgate you've got your two solid FBs on either side. The "big target man" definitely needs bringing in as we can't rely on Dominic Calvert-Lewin, but the mobile forward who leads the press is Gordon/Maupay. What worries me more is the profiles in midfield - Dyche's teams often are accused of lumping it into no mans land to be chased, but that's not really true; midfielders like Westwood, Jack Cork, Defour were all really effective, direct passers who played a big part in their counter attacks. We really don't have that in our team - there isn't anyone that good on the ball bar Iwobi who's been stretchered off!

I'm still definitely on the side of Dyche over plenty of other options, he's demonstrated he's capable of coaching a defence more effectively than Lampard (my opinion) and more capable of coaching an effective high press (objective fact) with far more limited players. But we'd nevertheless need to move very quickly in January, which Everton tend not to do...

I suppose a fit Garner would be a m/f Dyche could use.

But the FBs: at Burnley Lowton and Taylor would also get forward on occassion and we only have Coleman who can push on - and it's unfair to expect him to do many forward runs at this stage of his career.

Dyche would need the FB situation being addressed as well as a target man.

 

[Clarky cat]

Annual reminder that sacking the manager is not a solution.

Finding a better one is.

If we sack him, and then carry out a two-week long recruitment process like last year, we're likely toast. The new manager, whenever it happens, needs to be passing Lampard in the car park.

And that’s the biggest reason for me why he and his staff need to stay regardless, use the severance money to invest in the playing staff and it’s obvious where it needs to be spent to everyone including Lampard and his staff. Southampton is a case in point, Nathan Jones appointed very quickly after Uncle Ralph seems to be allergic to any other club he works at outside of Bedfordshire and their “bounce” is 4 straight league defeats without a whimper. Do we have the time for another manager to come in and teach these players their “philosophy“ when our next 2 games are must not lose? these are mostly the same players who have failed under nearly all the other managers before Lampard.
This bunch of boardroom morons are culpable of choosing Lampard and every other manager before him, they will never get the right appointment in or in a timely fashion using up much needed funds in the process.

 

[BlueToff]

This x 2.

Like Frank, and the problems have been brewing decades before he arrived. But there are teams way way above us made up of players we wouldn’t touch.

Sick of the “I want to play this style of football but we have to sacrifice it due to players” attitude. Stop trying to do a hybrid then and chopping and changing. Pick a solid, simple, probably direct way of playing that mitigates the MAIN weaknesses (impossible to cover all of them), and at least gives a chance to our strengths (which might be meagre but even the crappest teams have strengths).

We lurch from formation to formation based on injuries, opponent, recent form, importance of game, and we never master any of them.

FL claims he knew we were going to be in another relegation battle. He should have spent all summer defining the above solid, simple, direct way of playing and drilled and drilled and drilled it.

Said it a billion times, the players are average to poor, but the performances and results are much much worse than poor. And not even consistently poor. Mosh, Bill, Walsh, Koeman etc have built probably the worst squad in my lifetime. But they are still capable of more than they are getting. That’s not on Walsh.

Only goes so far if you can't score goals, though.

Burnley went down last season despite only conceding 53 times. That was the 10th best defence in the league.

If you can't score goals, you lose games.

 

[BlueToff]

And that’s the biggest reason for me why he and his staff need to stay regardless, use the severance money to invest in the playing staff and it’s obvious where it needs to be spent to everyone including Lampard and his staff. Southampton is a case in point, Nathan Jones appointed very quickly after Uncle Ralph seems to be allergic to any other club he works at outside of Bedfordshire and their “bounce” is 4 straight league defeats without a whimper. Do we have the time for another manager to come in and teach these players their “philosophy“ when our next 2 games are must not lose? these are mostly the same players who have failed under nearly all the other managers before Lampard.
This bunch of boardroom morons are culpable of choosing Lampard and every other manager before him, they will never get the right appointment in or in a timely fashion using up much needed funds in the process.

Precisely.

I can take or leave Lampard, his record is crap. But whoever is in charge needs signings. A new manager isn't a silver bullet with this squad.

As @davek has said, along with at least two attacking players the club should arguably be looking for 2 new FBs too. Such is the derth of quality. A new manager alone doesn't solve this even if some people have convinced themselves it will.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Only goes so far if you can't score goals, though.

Burnley went down last season despite only conceding 53 times. That was the 10th best defence in the league.

If you can't score goals, you lose games.

Then you really should not be going into a full season putting all your eggs in one basket with regards to a striker with Doms fitness record and lack of match practice, it was incredibly naive from both Lampard and Thelwell.

 

[kev101]

When do you address the board then? Our owner literally set the board a deadline to appease the fan base. "Judge us after the transfer window closes" he said. Well, the transfer window closed, we are 18th and now into another transfer window with no prospect of adding the required quality and they have moved the goalposts. They won't even acknowledge their failure.

Mate, this is an emergency! There's no time to worry about the wife when the ship's going down.

 

[Blue peter]

He hasn’t had a striker and lost the best attacking player in Richie. On top of that Gray and Gordon haven’t been as good as predicted. We’ve had plenty of games that we would’ve won with better attaching players.
Are you saying Frank is turning down attacking players that are being offered to him? Come on.

But he knew of DCLs recent injury history, and when considering where to strengthen the squad, he chose the purchase a £33m midfielder, 21 years of age who had played something like 16 first team games and the return of a 33 year old. Midfield definitely needed upgrading, but he could have rebalanced some of those funds into a better striker then a back up striker at Brighton. Even then Maupay is not a good fit for the style of play we currently need to get us out of this mess)

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Why is he still here?

With news breaking of Mosh Man in talks with Qatar Airways over a BMD naming rights deal maybe a deal to sell the club / % of the club is in the pipeline hence no funds/appetite to sack the manager/sign a player.

If you recall talks with the Peter Kenyon Group were originally about investment in the stadium which changed to a possible buyout of the club itself.

 

[BlueToff]

Then you really should not be going into a full season putting all your eggs in one basket with regards to a striker with Doms fitness record and lack of match practice, it was incredibly naive from both Lampard and Thelwell.

It is but Lampard was asking for a forward all summer too.

The board/Thelwell didn't deliver, other than Maupay.

Ultimately Lampard isn't blameless for that but we then have to say that the people above him, Thelwell included, are trusted to get the new manager players?

The absolute priority should be getting players in. I don't care who the manager is, this squad isn't good enough to get out of danger if signings aren't made.

 

[Drico]

With news breaking of Mosh Man in talks with Qatar Airways over a BMD naming rights deal maybe a deal to sell the club / % of the club is in the pipeline hence no funds/appetite to sack the manager/sign a player.

Nah. No prospective buyer will want to buy a second division club with huge debts. Because that's what we will be if there are no immediate purchases for whichever sucker is in the manager's chair.

 

[BlueToff]

But he knew of DCLs recent injury history, and when considering where to strengthen the squad, he chose the purchase a £33m midfielder, 21 years of age who had played something like 16 first team games and the return of a 33 year old. Midfield definitely needed upgrading, but he could have rebalanced some of those funds into a better striker then a back up striker at Brighton. Even then Maupay is not a good fit for the style of play we currently need to get us out of this mess)

Onana cost an initial £10m, like. He's not a bad signing because he will never go down in value.

The main issue for me in that regard was spending on Garner. We didn't need him at that stage in the window and those are funds that could have been better spent.

They all take blame for the recruitment. But I do question a DoF who took 10 months to hire a head of recruitment.

 

[billyblue80]

And that’s the biggest reason for me why he and his staff need to stay regardless, use the severance money to invest in the playing staff and it’s obvious where it needs to be spent to everyone including Lampard and his staff. Southampton is a case in point, Nathan Jones appointed very quickly after Uncle Ralph seems to be allergic to any other club he works at outside of Bedfordshire and their “bounce” is 4 straight league defeats without a whimper. Do we have the time for another manager to come in and teach these players their “philosophy“ when our next 2 games are must not lose? these are mostly the same players who have failed under nearly all the other managers before Lampard.
This bunch of boardroom morons are culpable of choosing Lampard and every other manager before him, they will never get the right appointment in or in a timely fashion using up much needed funds in the process.

Problem is say he wins against Saints does it prove he's a good manager or is it just papering over the cracks by beating the very worst team the only team worse than us? So you either back him or sack him now. For me it's the latter because I've seen enough of his tactics to not be confident that we don't lose both! But I agree if they are keeping him back him with the players we are desperate for, but if he keeps losing they will sack him anyway, god it's a mess