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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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banno said:
Yes but we had a say in the sackings. People starting to realise we may have jumped the gun with Silva. Just making a point
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They need to jog their memories then: 2-6 v Spurs at home, 2-5 v Liverpool, eliminated by *checks notes* Millwall, it says here, in the Cup.

Silva had his chance and wasn't up to it. Great to see him rebuilding his career at a smaller club. Sometimes, as Graham Potter is finding out, that's your level.
 
He’s got tomorrow and that’s it.

An unlikely win buys him some time, it probably shouldn’t but it will.

The main worry is that even if we do win it will be an anomaly and we will still be headed to the abyss.
 
Drico said:
They need to jog their memories then: 2-6 v Spurs at home, 2-5 v Liverpool, eliminated by *checks notes* Millwall, it says here, in the Cup.

Silva had his chance and wasn't up to it. Great to see him rebuilding his career at a smaller club. Sometimes, as Graham Potter is finding out, that's your level.
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Every manager is going to go through tough spells. You'll be hard pressed to find one that hasnt so i dont think you can just cherry pick. Even though myself i thought millwall away in the cup was as abysmal as i've seen. A side note to that game was that was the first time i looked at yerry mina and thought we have the wrong type of players at this club. Im sure his doctor will say otherwise but i was convinced that day he saw how the game was going and didnt fancy it. That could quite easly describe this club as a whole in the past few years.

If lampard goes thats 7 managers in 7 years. 12 if you throw in caretaker.

In the past 5 years or so who would you say has been a successful signing, Richarlison. Apart from him i cant think of many that have actually come here and improved the team. The foundation of recruitment has been abysmal and is the main reason we keep calling for another managers head.

Lampards position in now on the brink. I have very little faith we wont be here in 9/12 months time calling for the 8th manager to be sacked. So it is a valid point that are we chasing them out without giving any a chance to fix what is clearly broke.

Im in two minds now tbh.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Every manager is going to go through tough spells. You'll be hard pressed to find one that hasnt so i dont think you can just cherry pick. Even though myself i thought millwall away in the cup was as abysmal as i've seen. A side note to that game was that was the first time i looked at yerry mina and thought we have the wrong type of players at this club. Im sure his doctor will say otherwise but i was convinced that day he saw how the game was going and didnt fancy it. That could quite easly describe this club as a whole in the past few years.

If lampard goes thats 7 managers in 7 years. 12 if you throw in caretaker.

In the past 5 years or so who would you say has been a successful signing, Richarlison. Apart from him i cant think of many that have actually come here and improved the team. The foundation of recruitment has been abysmal and is the main reason we keep calling for another managers head.

Lampards position in now on the brink. I have very little faith we wont be here in 9/12 months time calling for the 8th manager to be sacked. So it is a valid point that are we chasing them out without giving any a chance to fix what is clearly broke.

Im in two minds now tbh.
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Come Christmas mate we will be getting rid of the guy who replaces Lampard.
As we will be mid table in the Championship and the current board will have expected automatic promotion back to the Premier league with the current crop of players.
Nothing changes until the board go and I mean nothing, it's just rinse and repeat
 

kiss the crest said:
Come Christmas mate we will be getting rid of the guy who replaces Lampard.
As we will be mid table in the Championship and the current board will have expected automatic promotion back to the Premier league with the current crop of players.
Nothing changes until the board go and I mean nothing, it's just rinse and repeat
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Yep. And i dont know how many times i see some fans just throw out nil satis nisi optimum to the last 7 managers when we're not tearing it up on the pitch. With what? Silva is quite clearly the one that most are looking at now and questioning did we pull the trigger to fast. Everton fans were going for him. I might have been guilty as charged myself. The board look amateurish without a doubt. The DOF thing has been atrocious. We're 5/6 years into that now and they've missed the target so many times with signings its criminal. And who recruited the recruiters. The board.
 
evilwebby said:
He is a dismal failure.


Can you look at any of our players and say he has turned them into a better player? Players regress under crap coaches.
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Just out of interest how long do we trace that back? Richarlison sticks out. How many Everton signings have come here and improved Everton in the last say 6 years under various managers.

Is it managers or are we signing players who just dont cut it/improve.

Im just wondering. More so now as i think he will be gone on sunday and the merry go round starts again.
 
There's no doubt everything leads back to the board. Everything. Their recruitment has been disastrous - including, in general, their recruitment of managers.

That said, there is a minimum standard any Everton manager must meet at any given time. In the days of Silva, given how he was supported financially (albeit by the disastrously ineffective Brands - see? Recruitment by the board was disastrous at all levels), he really could not complain if he lost his job losing to the likes of Millwall and getting absolutely hammered at home by Spurs and away by Liverpool - among other atrocities over a 12-month period (such as home defeats to Sheffield United and Norwich). Anybody can lose a cup game to a lower league club - but you can't do that and see your side obliterated by the clubs you are apparently chasing having spent a fortune while being unreliable against clubs with a fraction of your resources.

Looked at from today's predicament, people might say he was harshly treated. But standards were higher then and he didn't meet them. We can't lament the constant decline in standards and say we should have given Marco more time. By the end, he looked like a tramp who'd spent a wet night under a bridge.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Just out of interest how long do we trace that back? Richarlison sticks out. How many Everton signings have come here and improved Everton in the last say 6 years under various managers.

Is it managers or are we signing players who just dont cut it/improve.

Im just wondering. More so now as i think he will be gone on sunday and the merry go round starts again.
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You just have to look at Eddie Howe and how he has improved the likes of Joe Linton and Almiron.

In defense of Lampard he has improved Iwobi by playing him in the middle.

He still needs to be sacked though.
 

Moomin said:
You just have to look at Eddie Howe and how he has improved the likes of Joe Linton and Almiron.

In defense of Lampard he has improved Iwobi by playing him in the middle.

He still needs to be sacked though.
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It's surely too late for that, now.

He should have been punted in November. Farhad might yet panic, but we're long past the time to rectify this mess. I hope Lampard stays now and Moshiri's imbecility is exposed for all to see when we drop - as we surely will.
 
Are people pining for Silva now?

The fella was so far out of his depth it wasn't even funny. It was a mercy killing sacking him, just to help save his career.

Apparently he was a really nice fella behind the scenes but came across as drab, unable to explain what he was actually trying to do, stuck with the same formation that wasn't working (what everyone has a go at Lampard over) and we genuinely threw in some of the most horrific performances, the kind where you deserve to be sacked on the spot at full time (Spurs at home and rs away spring to mind)
 
Drico said:
It's surely too late for that, now.

He should have been punted in November. Farhad might yet panic, but we're long past the time to rectify this mess. I hope Lampard stays now and Moshiri's imbecility is exposed for all to see when we drop - as we surely will.
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Yeah, the 6 week break was the time to sack but quite a few people thought it would have gave him time to address the issues and change tactics.

This never happened.
 
Marius57 said:
Chelsea continued to pay his wages and kept him ‘on the staff’ for like 6 months to avoid giving him an upfront pay out didnt they?
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Something along those lines. My brother's a Chelsea STH and pretty much said something similar. Not 100% whole thing is just Meh.. you have a manager who gets the club but cracks in ability are clear. Just need to find that blend of mr nice guy Vs Mr I'm an ass
 
Moomin said:
You just have to look at Eddie Howe and how he has improved the likes of Joe Linton and Almiron.

In defense of Lampard he has improved Iwobi by playing him in the middle.

He still needs to be sacked though.
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Joelinton i thought was a good player before. He was decent in germany.

We buy players who i dont actually think came here as good players. Not many signings have i gone he's always looked good.

Onana is the one i think shows potential. But even he came here after i think played 11 games the french league.
 

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