2022/23 Frank Lampard

[roy vernon]

I said it before the match, in the match thread, Utd. are a much better team this season and, the City game apart, have had some great results, I said I would have taken a point, if offered, before the game started. It amazes me how the opinion of some posters on here swings so dramatically on the back of varying results, we beat West Ham and Southampton, it's top 7 for sure, we lose to Utd. it's a relegation fight.

We are a steadily improving team which will do well to finish the season in 12th place or above. I appreciate that that is not where we want to be, but, it is where we are. Leave Lampard and his team alone to carry on their work and we can expect more improvement next season, with a possible push for Europe. For God sake let's stop with the knee jerk reactions to every result, good or bad. We are firmly lower mid table level, we will win some, we will lose some.

 

[ramacca]

Lampard is still learning as a manager, but what can be said, is that he does learn from each game and particularly if we have a set back. At the end we were on top but ran out of time.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Everton aren't as good as some have made out and despite the stats the team had conceded a lot of quality chances before the Utd game. It's still relatively early in the season so the small amount of sample data represented by the goals against column doesn't yet tell the full story. Results and performances are obviously linked but they aren't one and the same.

Last nights performance wasn't the outlier some have decided it was. Being loose with possession in midfield, individual mistakes and allowing quality chances for the opposition are not things unique to last night. But another thing that wasn't unique to last night was the ability to still be in the game despite a disjointed performance and there was a chance to nick something near the end.

Progress is not linear and as I've said before in this thread we will take a few sound beatings along the way when the rub of the green goes against them and mistakes are punished. They are a lower to upper mid PL side depending how the cookies crumble and there are plenty of sides in the competition with players who walk straight into this Everton side.

If people are going to find nothing but doom in one performance or even a poor run then they aren't going to enjoy any of this season. We are nowhere near a Euro qualifying side but at the same time aren't the relegation contenders some decided we were towards the end of the window. We're currently something inbetween and those inbetween sides quite often get beat and look a bit off it.

 

[Rodebaard]

Needs to work out what the plan B is. The system wasn't working last night - our wide men (particulalry Gordon) were very ineffective - and for a large part of the game we were chasing shadows.

 

[Houghty19]

At least lampard says it like it is noting the first half just wasn't good enough (don't think second half was much better to be honest but it was better). We are a work in progress and will struggle against teams that move the ball quickly in and around midfield like United were doing which exploited the gaps being left. Plus point Calvert lewin looked ok when he came on and we certainly looked more threatening when he came on let's hope he can now stay fit.

 

[Lanolin]

Thats all fair. But the goals come directly from silly mistakes we made.

We have been good at avoiding them recently but tonight was more reminiscent of last season.

Yeah, what I mean is that we made a lot more than 2 silly mistakes so just focusing on the ones that got punished doesn't really tell the whole story. I think we've made silly mistakes quite consistently to be honest, but what we've been infinitely better at this year is covering for them. Player A messes up but player B comes to the rescue etc. Last night that 'luck' (it's not luck but you know what I mean) ran out and we got punished in a way we haven't in other games. The improvement in resilience to cover those mistakes and to keep going in a game like last night shouldn't be underestimated though, it's a big step forward if they can keep it up.

 

[matty1878]

could of made subs earlier

but this defeat is due to our players being so hungover

 

[maccavennie]

I said it before the match, in the match thread, Utd. are a much better team this season and, the City game apart, have had some great results, I said I would have taken a point, if offered, before the game started. It amazes me how the opinion of some posters on here swings so dramatically on the back of varying results, we beat West Ham and Southampton, it's top 7 for sure, we lose to Utd. it's a relegation fight.

We are a steadily improving team which will do well to finish the season in 12th place or above. I appreciate that that is not where we want to be, but, it is where we are. Leave Lampard and his team alone to carry on their work and we can expect more improvement next season, with a possible push for Europe. For God sake let's stop with the knee jerk reactions to every result, good or bad. We are firmly lower mid table level, we will win some, we will lose some.

Spot on. A lot of work still to be done before we are challenging for Europe again.

Yesterday would have been great for one reason alone, it would have kept us away from the bottom end of the table with a couple of really difficult away games coming up. We could easily lose them, be back in 16th and the nerves start jangling again.

We've just got to take each game as it comes and the key for me is getting DCL match fit and keeping him fit. Do that and we are a completely different threat as he brings others into play and really occupys the opposition centre halves.

Yesterday was crap and we deserved nothing and we are going to have those type of days. The trick is to have less of them than last season lol

 

[Bluelenny1984]

I said it before the match, in the match thread, Utd. are a much better team this season and, the City game apart, have had some great results, I said I would have taken a point, if offered, before the game started. It amazes me how the opinion of some posters on here swings so dramatically on the back of varying results, we beat West Ham and Southampton, it's top 7 for sure, we lose to Utd. it's a relegation fight.

We are a steadily improving team which will do well to finish the season in 12th place or above. I appreciate that that is not where we want to be, but, it is where we are. Leave Lampard and his team alone to carry on their work and we can expect more improvement next season, with a possible push for Europe. For God sake let's stop with the knee jerk reactions to every result, good or bad. We are firmly lower mid table level, we will win some, we will lose some.

Its like some people can't wait for us to lose so they can revert to the negativity, makes for some proper grim reading. One loss doesn't make us a dreadful team same way a couple of wins didn't make us a world class team, we are moving forward last nights result doesn't change that.

 

[Littlesue]

could of made subs earlier

but this defeat is due to our players being so hungover

Were they on the p**s then Saturday night? ?

 

[Toff33Blues99]

Means "You're sacked"

I wish Lampard was

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

Its like some people can't wait for us to lose so they can revert to the negativity, makes for some proper grim reading. One loss doesn't make us a dreadful team same way a couple of wins didn't make us a world class team, we are moving forward last nights result doesn't change that.

I said to a few Mancs in work prior to the game I would fancy us to beat them more if they had beat City last week. I was expecting a reaction and although we weren’t good yesterday. They played well. Their anchors in midfield played with control we didn’t disrupt them enough. Martinez was tenacious and won his battle with Maupay and Antony and Ronaldo both played well. I just wish we would have rolled the dice earlier and played DCL along with the other changes as it visibly unnerved them.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yeah definitely. They’ve beaten liverpool and Arsenal already, I’m not sure why people are so surprised they beat us. That’s what I mean about overrating us though, I feel like this is a theme where people convince themselves that battling to a couple of good results means we’re suddenly a good side and then they lose it when we inevitably slip up. I still think staying up relatively comfortably would be a decent season this year, and people talking about Europe etc just invites overreaction.

Absolutely. It never ceases to amaze me how people react to defeats. Like they all could have been avoided.

To challenge for the top 4, you need about 20 wins. So even then, you're dropping points in 18 games.

We're not even at that level. there's a lot more defeats to come this season.

We look okay though. I expect us to pick ip the required points to be comfortable.

 

[Tony101]

Absolutely. It never ceases to amaze me how people react to defeats. Like they all could have been avoided.

To challenge for the top 4, you need about 20 wins. So even then, you're dropping points in 18 games.

We're not even at that level. there's a lot more defeats to come this season.

We look okay though. I expect us to pick ip the required points to be comfortable.

This really we just survived relegation last season. Why do people suddenly expect us to be challenging for Europe. I think we will get enough points to be comfortably mid table but I don’t expect anything more.

 

[davek]

That’s not support, you’ve basically said I’ll only support him if he plays the way I Dave with middling football knowledge wants us to play.

You’ve slipped up a bit there in your story, probably want to pull back a bit on it so you can go big if we lose the next couple games. Very untidy groundwork you are laying here.

You're going to struggle if you think I want Lampard to be anything other than a success here.

But I wont turn a blind eye to tat like that last night, and most of all his undoubted part in it. That was ultimately a failure in strategy which created so many poor individual displays.


He needs to knock it on the head asking these players to move the ball around to feet against decent opposition who are counter attacking by nature anyway.

It was a hare-brained scheme and he takes the rap for it.