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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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Groucho said:
For me, we’re in this situation mostly by going through managers like wildfire.

I think we have to be prepared to tolerate a “Moyes’ second season” at times and stick it out with Frank. He at least is enthusiastic which is more than can be said for some recent managers.
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Moyes had credit in the bank after a good first season and an excellent stint at Preston. Frank took us straight Into an avoidable relegation battle last season and was deemed a saviour for keeping us up, but really shouldn't have got us in it in the first place. Then this season he is performing poorly. This follows being sacked in his previous job and only getting a fancied team to the playoffs in his other job and losing.

Not sure where his credit in the bank comes from.
 
Neiler said:
Im firmly in the camp of not wanting to sack another manager - as others have said it doesn't work, is depleting and ultimately undermining.

I am however concerned about the performance last night, i thought it was a poorly coached, poorly planned and poorly managed performance from the manager, I saw a lot of red flags.

Overall I'm backing the manager, but he needs to do better in terms of his own planning and performance.
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Agree with this fully, but by the same token I didn't expect anything against a decent Newcastle away (maybe 1-1 at best, had us down for 1-0 loss in all likelihood). By far the most abject performance of the season - very much shades of first half of last season. Was indeed poorly managed from start to finish, but the next 4 games is what it's about for me (5 if we put post-WC Wolves in). All winnable. Nigh on 12 points from those would be half way to safety before the half way point. Thats about par for the course, with DCL in the side and possible January transfers to come.
 

Hmm three defeats on the spin. The game against Crystal Palace this Saturday kind of takes on must win status now.

It goes to show that i was getting carried away with this talk about finishing inside the top ten. This season is all about getting those 40 plus points as soon as possible.

Then hopefully we can get more of the high earners off the books in the summer, and hopefully Mr Thelwell will come up trumps and find us some bargain price hidden gems.
 
johnjoeefc said:
Moyes had credit in the bank after a good first season and an excellent stint at Preston. Frank took us straight Into an avoidable relegation battle last season and was deemed a saviour for keeping us up, but really shouldn't have got us in it in the first place. Then this season he is performing poorly. This follows being sacked in his previous job and only getting a fancied team to the playoffs in his other job and losing.

Not sure where his credit in the bank comes from.
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It comes from utter desperation. Evertonians are, generally, enduring post-traumatic stress disorder since Moyes left. People make the point that we can't keep sacking managers - but the correct diagnosis is we can't keep appointing the wrong managers. No Everton manager - with the arguable exception of Big Ham - was sacked unfairly. In fact, every single one was left to dangle far longer than was decent. Frank is not yet in that bracket - but he can't oversee a run to the World Cup break without a few wins. If he does, he's in the danger zone.
 

Groucho said:
For me, we’re in this situation mostly by going through managers like wildfire.

I think we have to be prepared to tolerate a “Moyes’ second season” at times and stick it out with Frank. He at least is enthusiastic which is more than can be said for some recent managers.
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Very well said! Often amazes me how the Moyes-lovers (and rightly so, to a large degree tbf) seem to conviniently forget that soon after the "Moysiah" arrived we finished narrowly above the relegation zone, long before we became "best of the rest".

Not saying FL will "do a Moyes", the league is very different now, but would be foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater IMO. Let's see how we're looking after the next handful of games (after all, bottom line for Moshiri is probably just be in the Prem until BMD. 10th or 16th doesn't make any difference in that context).
 
Said it before, I didn't rate Lampard before he got the job. However, anyone was a better than FSW. He needs more time, but if we're flirting with relegation again in a few months the owner will have no choice but to sack him and gamble. It's how it is thesedays.

In hindsight we should have gone for Howe.
 

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