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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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Win, lose or draw on Saturday we will be a quarter way through the season and if we continued the points per game ratio across the season we are finishing on 40 plus points likely finishing around 13-15th going by last seasons table.

If you allow also the context of the bizarre lack of striker for the first games, and having some of the more difficult ties in this first portion of the season then I would say we are doing ok. Personally I think if you have said in the past you are willing to give this particular manager time then there’s not much happened of major concern to change that opinion.

On the negative side, I honestly am quite calm about the various issues being raised as for me they are all reasonable problems that can be expected from a team in transition and exactly the sort of stuff you want to see improved. However for me that’s improvement over a longer period of time than a desperately pressurised relegation battle and a quarter of a season with new players settling in.

Any of the concerns about the manager can for me be out under “let’s review it at the end of the season” so long as we continue on track for 40 plus points and at no point are actually adrift of other clubs in the bottom three. So yes, that includes dropping into the bottom three at some points when we hit the kind of poor run a lower half team like us are always going to hit.

We are 15th, we aren’t consistent, we have very few players you can rely upon to shine each week and we clearly lack attacking support at full back and another striker of reasonable quality. Big surprise we aren’t up to much yet.

And no, I don’t give him extra leeway for being English or “getting” the club. He is just another manager and is lucky to have come along at a particularly low point as expectations couldn’t be lower. Just keep us safe whilst the squad is freshened up and we make it to the stadium. Hopefully we might look a better prospect to whatever managerial talent is out there when the moment comes, assuming as I do that Lampard won’t do anything special and we will for once calmly replace a manager with another one we have lined up end of next season.

Not very exciting like, but I’ll take a couple seasons of dullness if it might mean a springboard to attempt a more coherent plan to rise up the table to better times than the one we have seen since Moshiri came in.
 
I think for me the most dispiriting aspect of our current form has been the midfield, I was very estatic with our midfield acquisitions over the past transfer window and I know we've played strong teams recently but we've been completely dominated and overrun in that area it felt like last season when we played 2 in the midfield and we're just incapable of stringing together a sucession of passes. I could see progress despite in the initial games we were lacking an attacking proficiency now it feels like a regression. Hopefully Everton can assert themselves more in the midfield against palace. For me this season is about instilling some cohesion and Frank still has time but the last few games have been dire so this might be deluded but I'm hoping for a positive reaction from Frank and the squad.
Also hope frank becomes aware that you can make substitutions before the 70th minute of a match
 
You have to give Frank some time. As long as we're not being threatened by relegation, I would say Frank deserves a couple of years to make progress. Changing managers every year is exactly what killed us last time, because every manager brings in their own players and you are left with random pieces that don't fit. The only managers that really deserved the sack less than two years is Big Sam and Rafael.
 
Agree with you but don't believe digne was all that. Fraud him

I agree, he’s not shown himself to be great since leaving. But he did make the most chances in the side. I think. And he was replaced by someone very limited going forward, unbelievable volleys aside.
 

I meant Lampard gets a free pass over here because he's English. Any other foreign manager managing us right now in our form would make us worried.... I can't see him turning anything around.
I think he will, last 3 games have been hard games, but he does really need to get us going again now and kick that forward line into gear.
 
Staying in the PL is the bare minimum requirement for our club.
Managers come and go.
Players come and go.
Owners come and go.
The club and its fans remain.
Earning a point per game gives a club a decent chance of staying in the PL - but is by no means a guarantee.
I don’t have ‘faith’ in managers. I have faith in points.
If we get to the six-week World Cup break without a minimum of 15 points from 15 games (due to the postponement of the Arsenal game) then there is a real danger that our club will be in the Championship next season.
I don’t want that.
It’s Frank’s job to make sure we have a minimum of 15 points by the WC break, which means he has four games to get 5 points (Crystal Palace H, Fulham A, Leicester H, Bournemouth A).
None of them are exactly world beaters and it would not be unreasonable to expect 8 points - 2 home wins and 2 away draws - but I’m not greedy. 5 points and we stick with Frank, anything less and a change needs to be considered.
I know that changing manager doesn’t guarantee a change of fortune but, with few Everton players at the World Cup, the six-week break provides a great opportunity to re-set the season and avoid us being in the Championship next season.


Martinez sacked (15/16) after 37 PL games (44 points) PPG=1.19
Koeman sacked (17/18) after 9 PL games (8 points) PPG=0.89
Allardyce sacked (17/18) after 24 PL games (34 points) PPG=1.42
Silva sacked (19/20) after 15 PL games (14 points) PPG=0.93
Benitez sacked (21/22) after 19 PL games (19 points) PPG=1.00
Lampard (22/23 so far) 11 PL games (10 points) PPG=0.91
 
Just checked. Gerrard is on his last legs at Villa and he’s just a point behind Lampard’s Everton. I guess he gets a free pass because he's English or we just accept that we're [Poor language removed].
Who is Lampard getting a free pass from for being English?

The media have hammered him and not acknowledged any progress we made until we best West Ham and Southampton and he was the favourite for the first sacking of the season in most places even though most Evertonians were comfortable.

And he certainly didn’t get a free pass from blues because of his nationality, Big Sam certainly didn’t and nor would anyone else. If anything being southern and a Tory has been used as a stick to beat him with and I never heard anybody use Koeman being Dutch or Silva being Portuguese as reasons to dismiss them.
 
Staying in the PL is the bare minimum requirement for our club.
Managers come and go.
Players come and go.
Owners come and go.
The club and its fans remain.
Earning a point per game gives a club a decent chance of staying in the PL - but is by no means a guarantee.
I don’t have ‘faith’ in managers. I have faith in points.
If we get to the six-week World Cup break without a minimum of 15 points from 15 games (due to the postponement of the Arsenal game) then there is a real danger that our club will be in the Championship next season.
I don’t want that.
It’s Frank’s job to make sure we have a minimum of 15 points by the WC break, which means he has four games to get 5 points (Crystal Palace H, Fulham A, Leicester H, Bournemouth A).
None of them are exactly world beaters and it would not be unreasonable to expect 8 points - 2 home wins and 2 away draws - but I’m not greedy. 5 points and we stick with Frank, anything less and a change needs to be considered.
I know that changing manager doesn’t guarantee a change of fortune but, with few Everton players at the World Cup, the six-week break provides a great opportunity to re-set the season and avoid us being in the Championship next season.


Martinez sacked (15/16) after 37 PL games (44 points) PPG=1.19
Koeman sacked (17/18) after 9 PL games (8 points) PPG=0.89
Allardyce sacked (17/18) after 24 PL games (34 points) PPG=1.42
Silva sacked (19/20) after 15 PL games (14 points) PPG=0.93
Benitez sacked (21/22) after 19 PL games (19 points) PPG=1.00
Lampard (22/23 so far) 11 PL games (10 points) PPG=0.91
Point are great but there needs to be context behind stats.
How many of these managers inherited awful unbalanced squads and had to sell their best player for financial reasons?

I agree though that we need at least 5 points from the next four or we’ll feel unsettled. I’d like at least two wins from the four to be honest.
 
Bit of perspective is needed.

We have played 5 of the current top 7 in the league in the first 10 games. We started the first 3 games without a striker because the board took far to long to make the signings. We've played 3 games in a row against top 7 teams.

We have been poor in them games yes but when we start losing 3 in a row against the teams around us is the time to panic not now, we are also only losing by a goal or two when we do lose, once our strikers start finding some form we will be ok.

Saturday is a huge game though
 

Point are great but there needs to be context behind stats.
How many of these managers inherited awful unbalanced squads and had to sell their best player for financial reasons?

I agree though that we need at least 5 points from the next four or we’ll feel unsettled. I’d like at least two wins from the four to be honest.

People use last season to make a point with their stats which any sane fan should know that last season was irrelevant.

That team is no more. He's had this side for 12 games.
 
2 shots on target in 3 games... Now everyone will go they were against Man Utd, Spurs and Newcastle we wouldnt expect to win.... BUT

Teams playing Man Utd (h)
Brentford 13 Shots/7 on Target
Southampton 17/5
Leicester 10/2
Man City 22/10
Everton 11/2

Teams playing Spurs (a)
Southampton 10/2
Wolves 20/3
Fulham 9/3
Leicester 19/7
Everton 4/0

Teams playing Newcastle (a)
Notts Forest 5/0
Man City 21/10
Palace 19/9
Bournemouth 10/3
Brentford 6/3
Everton 1/0

Look at how other teams have faired in the three losses we have endured, some of these teams are relegation certainties yet look at the amount of shots they get per game compared to us.....

How many of those teams actually scored? The United ones were Brentford (start of the season) and City (obvs).

Newcastle have conceded 2 goals at home (3 against City but again thats always an anomaly).

What's the big chances missed? We had 2 against Spurs, scored against United... Newcastle have the best defence in the league.

Yes, the attack needs sorting. It's plainly obvious. But surely he gets time to fix it?

It's like having a perfectly good car and all you need is petrol in it...but instead you send it for scrap because it's not working.
 

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