2022/23 Frank Lampard

[GrandOldSte117]

When you say currently, you mean Leicester. Wouldnt disagree.

But we were pretty good against Palace wernt we?

We were but Lampard has to make that the standard. We did the same against Leeds last season and never saw it for the rest.

 

[LocalNative]

As a casual reader of this thread, I was frankly quite amazed that Lampard has been compared to Howe based on 1.11 or 1.24 goals or points or whatever a game.

No idea why basically. He may bomb out, who knows. But the thought of going back to the circus we have all suffered fills many with dread. At least Lampard cares, we were triffic against Palace, not all that on Saturday. Footie aint it?

Understandable, club is on strings and has been for the past few years but I'm against blindly backing an unproven manager in the hopes that he just might get it right eventually. Need to see some action and results on the pitch first and as such this season, Palace and probably the derby aside we've been extremely underwhelming and at times downright pathetic.

 

[Goat]

Fair enough mate, I'm a little envious because I cannot for the life of me work out what he's trying to do to be completely honest.

I think us fans seen him and the club over the line last year and I'm yet to be convinced he has what it take to be a top manager in this league.

Thats it for me, so we have 2 choices, we either decide he will never be good enough, which some have or we give him enough time to form a definitive answer.

As ive said, he might have been here for 9months, but in that time we have had a 2 month break and we have also brought in roughly 9 "first team players", it takes time to bed players in, formulate tactics.

It might never work with Lampard here, but at the very least we should find out.

 

[Lanolin]

When you say currently, you mean Leicester. Wouldnt disagree.

But we were pretty good against Palace wernt we?

I don't want to answer for him but I would imagine he means that we're in the same league position as when Lampard took over, have only won 3 games all season, haven't scored in 4 of our last 5 games etc. This insistence from people on acting like it's a minor blip out of the blue when we lose is really weird.

 

[roydo]

Understandable, club is on strings and has been for the past few years but I'm against blindly backing an unproven manager in the hopes that he just might get it right eventually. Need to see some action and results on the pitch first and as such this season, Palace and probably the derby aside we've been extremely underwhelming and at times downright pathetic.

Dont think folk are blindly backing him; there are obviously flaws out there. But giving him stick based on some ropey stats just seems nuts to me.

 

[Moomin]

Buying the right player is a separate argument. Howe spent well, hence why they got off the foot of the table. He had the money and used it.

The point is Lampard didn't spend (unless you're talking wages which isn't a barometer) and struggled to get a team who had won 1 game in 14, lost 11 to survive in the league. Howe would've possible struggled here too as he didn't win a game in his first 11 odd games until January appeared.

What they're "worth" previously doesn't matter...the club's were willing to let go of them for "nothing" at that time.

And Chelsea are an odd club. He didn't buy anyone, they were bought for him. Even Tuchel had problems.

Making more excuses here for Lampard.

Howe took over a team that hadn't won a game all season.

Howe beat Burnley in his 5th game and in them first 11 games he got beat by Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City and Leicester City. The rest were draws.

In the 27 games he managed Newcastle last season he got beat 9 times with 13 victories.

Frank in his 32 games from both seasons its 9 wins.

 

[LocalNative]

Thats it for me, so we have 2 choices, we either decide he will never be good enough, which some have or we give him enough time to form a definitive answer.

As ive said, he might have been here for 9months, but in that time we have had a 2 month break and we have also brought in roughly 9 "first team players", it takes time to bed players in, formulate tactics.

It might never work with Lampard here, but at the very least we should find out.

True, my worry is that we stand by to give him enough time and by which point it's too late. We're in real danger of the drop again this season and unfortunately don't feel like we can offer the luxury of seeing how things pan out.

It hasn't been a long time at all though which is fair, I'm just not seeing many signs that he's the man for the job long-term (aside from the defence which I think has come at the cost of our attacking threat in games).

 

[roydo]

Making more excuses here for Lampard.

Howe took over a team that hadn't won a game all season.

Howe beat Burnley in his 5th game and in them first 11 games he got beat by Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City and Leicester City. The rest were draws.

In the 27 games he managed Newcastle last season he got beat 9 times with 13 victories.

Frank in his 32 games from both seasons its 9 wins.

So, to summarise, Frank Lampard isnt Eddie Howe.

I agree.

 

[Moomin]

Dont think folk are blindly backing him; there are obviously flaws out there. But giving him stick based on some ropey stats just seems nuts to me.

We are the team in the league who faces the most shots per game , worse than Bournemouth and Forest.

We also are the 3rd worst team at creating chances, only Forest and Bournemouth are worse.

 

[Nymzee]

Why do we keep talking about Eddie Howe?

 

[roydo]

We are the team in the league who faces the most shots per game , worse than Bournemouth and Forest.

We also are the 3rd worst team at creating chances, only Forest and Bournemouth are worse.

Ok, at the risk of sounding like some radio phone in host, you seem to want him out. So, who would you get in?

 

[ToffeeTim]

True, my worry is that we stand by to give him enough time and by which point it's too late. We're in real danger of the drop again this season and unfortunately don't feel like we can offer the luxury of seeing how things pan out.

It hasn't been a long time at all though which is fair, I'm just not seeing many signs that he's the man for the job long-term (aside from the defence which I think has come at the cost of our attacking threat in games).

It's too early to talk about going down. There's a big difference between being in a potential relegation fight and being doomed to go down.

I go back to the simple point... The idea that just changing manager and everything gets better, is based on zero substance. Carlo Ancelotti couldn't fix this squad, so why would changing manager again be the solution.

Saturday is a big game. If we lose then yes we will be in an uncomfortable position, but still well over half the season to go.

 

[Lanolin]

It’s because we can see what he’s trying to do and are willing to give him a fair crack of the whip, rather than crying like little girls every time we lose and that‘s without moving onto the select and highly suspect group of soopa blues, who only ever post anything at all on here, after we get beaten.

What would you say that is? I think that's where i'm struggling at the moment, I feel like I can't quite see what he's trying to do, and to an extent I feel like he doesn't really know what he wants to do either. I can't stress enough that I don't want him sacking and I can see some positives in certain aspects, but tactically he confuses me and I'm starting to wonder whether he is actually trying to implement the things I previously thought he was. The games against United and Leicester were pretty much the exact opposite of what I thought he wanted to do, and to me it looked very much like a tactical thing rather than just the players not being good enough.

 

[PhilRegan]

Why do we keep talking about Eddie Howe?

Probs because many turned their noses up at him. Same people that said Gabriel jesus wasn't good enough for us couple years back

 

[Moomin]

True, my worry is that we stand by to give him enough time and by which point it's too late. We're in real danger of the drop again this season and unfortunately don't feel like we can offer the luxury of seeing how things pan out.

It hasn't been a long time at all though which is fair, I'm just not seeing many signs that he's the man for the job long-term (aside from the defence which I think has come at the cost of our attacking threat in games).

I would have expected to see some improvement this season and hoped a better style of Football.

It's just like the Big Sam days in style but not getting the wins that Sam got.