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2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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CRIMHEAD said:
Aren’t the other teams doing that against him with their personnel? Didn’t you just describe every competent manager? Yet they still win. Isn’t that about the strongest endorsement of him you can find?
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Yes, up until a certain level and in international football, which is slower paced and less physical than our league.

In England, he has done well in a bottom half Premier League team and flopped when stepping up to us and Spurs.
 
Tubey said:
Yes, up until a certain level and in international football, which is slower paced and less physical than our league.

In England, he has done well in a bottom half Premier League team and flopped when stepping up to us and Spurs.
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1. Top level internationals are not slower paced or more physical. I don’t buy that.
2. The fact that Iceland build around Gylfi with championship level players and somehow beat England and Croatia is just a glowing reccomendation of his ability to literally carry them. Perhaps we should have built around him more based on what you’re saying. Imagine what he could do in a system that suits him with quality instead of players like Bjarnnson or whatever....
3. He didn’t flop at Spurs. He played like 30 league games per season when there and did well enough. Not great mind, but far from a flop. And if you say he flopped here last year, then literally the entire squad “flopped.”
 
carolinablue232 said:
1. Top level internationals are not slower paced or more physical. I don’t buy that.
2. The fact that Iceland build around Gylfi with championship level players and somehow beat England and Croatia is just a glowing reccomendation of his ability to literally carry them. Perhaps we should have built around him more based on what you’re saying. Imagine what he could do in a system that suits him with quality instead of players like Bjarnnson or whatever....
3. He didn’t flop at Spurs. He played like 30 league games per season when there and did well enough. Not great mind, but far from a flop. And if you say he flopped here last year, then literally the entire squad “flopped.”
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Gylfi is slow. That's just a fact.

He succeeds at international level solely because the side is geared to him and he's a good player - not many international sides or sides of a good level do.

Paul Clement summed it up here nicely:

"A lot of players have to make that decision in their careers," he said. "I am not necessarily talking about Gylfi, but do they want to be a smaller fish in a big pond or a big fish in a small pond?

"He has something special with Iceland, too, where he is a key man. That's what he has got here at Swansea."
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And that's the problem with his time at Spurs (where he did flop) and here - he's a smaller fish in a bigger pond, not the key man and that's because he doesn't have the world class ability to justify accommodating in such a way. He has flopped here thus far because he's been asked to adapt to a system instead of having the system adapt to him - he's not capable of doing it.
 

Tubey said:
Gylfi is slow. That's just a fact.

He succeeds at international level solely because the side is geared to him and he's a good player - not many international sides or sides of a good level do.

Paul Clement summed it up here nicely:



And that's the problem with his time at Spurs (where he did flop) and here - he's a smaller fish in a bigger pond, not the key man and that's because he doesn't have the world class ability to justify accommodating in such a way. He has flopped here thus far because he's been asked to adapt to a system instead of having the system adapt to him - he's not capable of doing it.
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Pienaar flopped at Spurs mate, but he was class for us in a system that benefitted his skills and placed some class around him?
 
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Tubey said:
Gylfi is slow. That's just a fact.

He succeeds at international level solely because the side is geared to him and he's a good player - not many international sides or sides of a good level do.

Paul Clement summed it up here nicely:



And that's the problem with his time at Spurs (where he did flop) and here - he's a smaller fish in a bigger pond, not the key man and that's because he doesn't have the world class ability to justify accommodating in such a way. He has flopped here thus far because he's been asked to adapt to a system instead of having the system adapt to him - he's not capable of doing it.
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What system? He was good at Spurs, scored from open play, fit in well. But he’s not good in our system? We don’t have one.

I’m sorry, but absolutely none of what you are saying makes any sense whatsoever.

If he didn’t have great ability, why does Iceland keep beating better teams? Because when they beat Croatia, Modric played, and he’s slow, and I’m pretty sure any manager in their right mind would build a team around him, so he sucks, too? Turan and Cenk must suck even worse because they got anhiliated by Gylfi and Iceland 3-0 in qualifying. But somehow, you are attempting to argue that it somehow makes him worse. It’s amazing.
 
carolinablue232 said:
1. Top level internationals are not slower paced or more physical. I don’t buy that.
2. The fact that Iceland build around Gylfi with championship level players and somehow beat England and Croatia is just a glowing reccomendation of his ability to literally carry them. Perhaps we should have built around him more based on what you’re saying. Imagine what he could do in a system that suits him with quality instead of players like Bjarnnson or whatever....
3. He didn’t flop at Spurs. He played like 30 league games per season when there and did well enough. Not great mind, but far from a flop. And if you say he flopped here last year, then literally the entire squad “flopped.”
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1) International play is slower paced. Teams don't have as much time to work together to build familiarity. International teams, good ones even, are far more likely to sit back now and not press than what goes on in the premier league or with top clubs. I don't think that is even debatable. His point wasn't about top internationals, if you mean that in top national team players, they are top club players. They will always be able to press or play at a greater pace as long as their age allows.

2) That Iceland team would be relegated from the premier league. Comparing international play to club play is completely ridiculous in this era. The clubs are so much better than national teams in terms of both talent and tactics.

3) I can't disagree with. Reasonable point. But I would say the whole squad flopped. His time at Tottenham is forgettable. I don't want to judge players at a club level by what they did for a national team, that's just dumb. Not saying you are, but others are. The international game and club game are completely different. Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool.
 

CRIMHEAD said:
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What system? He was good at Spurs, scored from open play, fit in well. But he’s not good in our system? We don’t have one.

I’m sorry, but absolutely none of what you are saying makes any sense whatsoever.

If he didn’t have great ability, why does Iceland keep beating better teams? Because when they beat Croatia, Modric played, and he’s slow, and I’m pretty sure any manager in their right mind would build a team around him, so he sucks, too? Turan and Cenk must suck even worse because they got anhiliated by Gylfi and Iceland 3-0 in qualifying. But somehow, you are attempting to argue that it somehow makes him worse. It’s amazing.
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So by this logic all of the German national team players are worse than all the Austrian nationals.
 
ilikecheese said:
Fair enough. 6 out of 10 doesn't sound like a flop.

TBH I was hoping for an insiders view of Gylfi's time at yours...certainly different circumstances then vs now.
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I think he basically didn't fit with the manager at the time's plans. Pochettino has said he wished Gylfi had'nt been sold before he arrived.

Pochetino is probably (certainly ha ha) a better judge of player than me and if he likes him, then he must have something about him.

Personally I liked him and thought we sold him too soon.
 
Once again players need to be either terrible flop, and world class success.

He is a good player, and thats ok.

The fee bothers me, but it shouldnt.
 
He’s a good player. Before he got injured he was showing some really good form. It couldn’t have been easy to settle into that team we had last season. Koeman has no game plan and Allardyce was too negative. He was still one of our better performers though.
 

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