Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Caolam]

The Labour Party has had a problem with members holding anti-Semitic views, along with other organisations, long before Jeremy Corbyn became leader. During this leadership campaign I have heard him and John McDonald condemn these views and say people who hold anti-Semitic views have no place in the Labour Party. Both have said they will expel anyone holding these views.

 

[edge]

See Abbot has been at it again, what a tit that woman is, Going on about Brexit voters again while completely forgetting a large proportion of them were Labour voters, the likes of her and Shami Chakrabartir, and Thornberry actually look down on and dislike the core of the traditional white labour working class voter, no way am I voting again for any party that has the likes of them in it.

 

[hullefc]

The Labour Party has had a problem with members holding anti-Semitic views, along with other organisations, long before Jeremy Corbyn became leader. During this leadership campaign I have heard him and John McDonald condemn these views and say people who hold anti-Semitic views have no place in the Labour Party. Both have said they will expel anyone holding these views.

Some people are trying to move the goalposts and portray those that criticise Israel as being anti-Semitic, to try and stifle debate about the actions of the Israeli government against the Palestinians.

 

[Mountfield1985]

See Abbot has been at it again, what a tit that woman is, Going on about Brexit voters again while completely forgetting a large proportion of them were Labour voters, the likes of her and Shami Chakrabartir, and Thornberry actually look down on and dislike the core of the traditional white labour working class voter, no way am I voting again for any party that has the likes of them in it.

My favourite Dianne Abbot moment was when she used £12,000 of public money to commission this portraint of herself.

 

[edge]

My favourite Dianne Abbot moment was when she used £12,000 of public money to commission this portraint of herself.

the stuff of nightmares

 

[Toffeelover]

See Abbot has been at it again, what a tit that woman is, Going on about Brexit voters again while completely forgetting a large proportion of them were Labour voters, the likes of her and Shami Chakrabartir, and Thornberry actually look down on and dislike the core of the traditional white labour working class voter, no way am I voting again for any party that has the likes of them in it.

So all the no voters are racist, unbelievable. So the in voters are the goodies part of the population!!! Which planet is she on?

 

[Toffeelover]

My favourite Dianne Abbot moment was when she used £12,000 of public money to commission this portraint of herself.

How the heck did she get away with that?

 

[Toffeelover]

If you can find a quote from Corbyn praising the execution of a disabled man, his guards and people happened to be nearby him as he was leaving a church, then by all means crack on.

How about Jeremy supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, fine but not recognising that they are fighting in support of Assad and Russia who are using barbaric weapons on civilians look at Aleppo.

 

[Toffeelover]

This is the madness of your position. Since Ellman became an MP, we have had:

i) the final removal of the grant system, and the expansion of student loans to cover everything - leaving people whose parents can't afford to subsidize their education being on the hook for a minimum of £27,000 at the age of 21.
ii) the expansion of agency labour / zero hours, to the extent that such practices dominate the bottom of the "native" wage market
iii) the promotion of PFI to the exclusion of other, cheaper, forms of investment
iv) Iraq, and the follow-on adventures in the middle east
v) increased privatization of the NHS
vi) rise in house prices, and a coincidental fall in the availability of social housing

I could have slept in a cave since 1997, and I would have done more positive things for Labour than Ellman has done.

So if I am correct you are saying Ellman voted for all these?

 

[Toffeelover]

It is easier to just say, "I could not find a quote by Corbyn like that", Tubey.

So basically you wish to ignore the quotes that do not fit in with view?

 

[Toffeelover]

.... no, I actually went out and got a job. Fifty years - an entire adult career - she has represented Labour, and we are much worse off as a result. I can see why you like her though, she is the type of opponent Tories love.

But Friend you could say that of the hundreds of MPs who have sat in the commons for the last 50 years, they have all failed???

 

[tsubaki]

So basically you wish to ignore the quotes that do not fit in with view?

Those quotes - or deliberate misquotes, if you are citing Tubey as a source - have nothing to do with the quote at hand, though.

Ellman stood up in the Commons and praised the execution of a quadriplegic, almost blind man and those who happened to be nearby him as they left a religious service. The assassination was both illegal and stupid, given that Hamas have been demonstrably stronger ever since it happened. If you, Tubey, pete or whoever can find a speech by Corbyn where he praises the blowing-up of people leaving a religious service, then by all means post it.

So if I am correct you are saying Ellman voted for all these?

No, I am saying that since she bravely took up her place in the vanguard on behalf of the working class all of that has come to pass; she only voted for bits of it (though she supported a government that did almost all of it).

 

[edge]

So all the no voters are racist, unbelievable. So the in voters are the goodies part of the population!!! Which planet is she on?

The planet, London bubble, were they are some much more intelligent than the rest of the of the country and know what's best for everybody because we are to daft to make a rational decision by are self's.

 

[dandydan]

See Abbot has been at it again, what a tit that woman is, Going on about Brexit voters again while completely forgetting a large proportion of them were Labour voters, the likes of her and Shami Chakrabartir, and Thornberry actually look down on and dislike the core of the traditional white labour working class voter, no way am I voting again for any party that has the likes of them in it.

I'll say it again, within a decade the Labour Party will look upon the white working class the same way the Democrats do white southerners. Both forgetting their party was set up to represent those same people.

 

[Joey66]

I'd take those MPs seriously, and they've clearly had experiences of their own. If you have a group of people trying to organise in every part of the UK then you're going to get some fruit loops. Corbyn really has to stamp his authority and boot these people out of the party and ensure that they can't sculpt Momentum.

By and large though, Momentum (and I'm not a member - or planning to become one - but have had some involvement) are just a bunch of disaffected people. The types that you never see represented. Most of them represent the soft left in all honesty.

It's not hard left to be anti-austerity, pro-investment, pro-multi cultural.

They said that about the militant tendency group in the 1980's with Derek Hatton - the leader then stood and demeaned him at the Labour conference leader Neil Kinnock his famous phrase od shouting and pointing at him saying how despicable he was of redundancy notices being delivered in taxis to council workers around the city Hatton was later expelled from the party Evertonian or not quite rightly he was an ex fireman who joined the council in a pair of jeans , and left in an armani suit as an alleged deputy leader who was really running the council destroyed the beautiful botanic Gardens in Liverpool, because the orchid growers would not go on a one day strike - A court case pursued for victimisation as skilled orchid growers were put out on lawn mowers an historic building demolished allegedly on H&S grounds.
I used to visit there it was beautiful rare plant collections form all over the world great socialism!