Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Joey66]

News thump......

Labour Party going tremendously well now.

Reports from the Labour Party conference indicate that it’s all going splendidly and there’s nothing to worry about anymore.

MPs who supported a no-confidence motion in Jeremy Corbyn mere weeks ago have given a merry laugh and cheerfully acknowledged the error of their ways, indicating that they’re ‘very relaxed’ about their conference speeches being rewritten at the last minute by members of his staff.

Meanwhile, members of the leader’s team have told us that the feeling is one of ‘all chums together’ and everyone should forget those silly things they said about deselection in the heat of the moment.

Fringe meetings are understood to be harmonious examples of team play, with the various factions respectfully agreeing to differ over minor points of doctrine for the greater good.

And nobody is even mentioning the Jews anymore.

“We’re all pulling together now and taking the fight to the Tories,” we were told in a delightfully cheerful and upbeat soiree at the Conference bar.

“It’s incredible how the recent leadership contest solved all our problems and really helped the party gel.

“And if anyone doesn’t like it they can go and JOIN THE TORIES.

“Oops, damn, I only meant to think that bit.”

When asked how many Jeremy Corbyn supporters it would take to change a lightbulb, we were told that if everyone just stops complaining about the dark and gets behind the bulb, it won’t need changing.

Watched the daily politics before the congress were bickering like mad about the NEC - not polictical issues of the day v the Tories its just so ameuturish -
the MP anti Corbynist at the end on guitar singing Blackbird was the highlight of the show with Andrew Neil being a great presenter as always!

 

[Joey66]

To follow a democratic process? the clue is in CLP

Or Momentum!
Why have a different name like with Labour somewhere in it they are being infriltrated by the AWL watch dispatches Channel 4!
Last week on catch up its an eye opener!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Perhaps - but neither would Smith, Cooper, Burnham, Kendall, Umunna, Miliband (D), Watson, Dan "he was in the army, you know" Jarvis or indeed any of the rest of the Labour establishment being talked up by themselves.

What Corbyn does give the party though is a re-engagement with its membership and a chance to fix some of the more egregious wrongs committed during the Blair-Brown years; something that none of the rest would be likely to do. Increase the membership, engage more people, get a better representation of people into Parliament, and the Labour Party will be in a far better position than it would be after five more years of "We will do things slightly less nastily than the Tories would".

Burnham would have certainly had a much better chance

He balances the left and centrist aspects better than anyone else

Indisputably left, while still having potential for mass appeal

 

[roydo]

Burnham would have certainly had a much better chance

He balances the left and centrist aspects well

Couldnt see him leading a choir myself.

 

[Tubey]

Burnham would have certainly had a much better chance

He balances the left and centrist aspects better than anyone else

Indisputably left, while still having potential for mass appeal

Quite literally anyone else on that ballot would have done better. Some wouldn't have got close to winning an election, but at the very least they've have overtaken the Tories in the polls after orchestrating our exit from Europe and having a disgraced leader essentially sacked after years of austerity.

Don't like Burnham but he'd have done better than Corbyn comfortably. Umunna certainly would have, and all Dan Jarvis would have had to do to be elected in 2020 is literally turn up. The Tories would have nothing to attack him with, and that's the key thing with Corbyn - he's the exact opposite of bulletproof.

 

[magicjuan]

Or Momentum!
Why have a different name like with Labour somewhere in it they are being infriltrated by the AWL watch dispatches Channel 4!
Last week on catch up its an eye opener!

Both the programmes were nothing. You even have Kikfoyle saying Momentum is no threat just grass roots getting more involved.

Why not treat 'Progress' in the same manner, they are more clandestine about their funding and motives and members and aren't party to any expulsions either, mainly because they are protecting the Westminster fraternity.

 

[tsubaki]

Burnham would have certainly had a much better chance

He balances the left and centrist aspects better than anyone else

Indisputably left, while still having potential for mass appeal

I would like to think so, but the problem with Burnham is that he is (like Jarvis, and like Ed Miliband before him) rather less than the sum of his parts. He should have done better than he has, something that would probably be the case at a General Election.

 

[tsubaki]

Quite literally anyone else on that ballot would have done better. Some wouldn't have got close to winning an election, but at the very least they've have overtaken the Tories in the polls after orchestrating our exit from Europe and having a disgraced leader essentially sacked after years of austerity.

Don't like Burnham but he'd have done better than Corbyn comfortably. Umunna certainly would have, and all Dan Jarvis would have had to do to be elected in 2020 is literally turn up. The Tories would have nothing to attack him with, and that's the key thing with Corbyn - he's the exact opposite of bulletproof.

How odd then that neither of Umunna or Jarvis put in serious bids in either 2015 or 2016 - perhaps they are less sanguine about their prospects than you are?

 

[catcherintherye]

My Dad is a big Corbyn supporter and absolutely scoffs at the idea of getting into power, it doesn't even factor into it for him, and from what he tells me about what his compatriots at meetings are saying, he's not alone in that sentiment

I support Corbyn and know many of his supporters and I can assure you we all want to be in power. It's centrally why I couldn't entertain voting for Smith or the continuation of the last 30 years. It would see us going the same was as PASOK.

 

[Joey66]

I support Corbyn and know many of his supporters and I can assure you we all want to be in power. It's centrally why I couldn't entertain voting for Smith or the continuation of the last 30 years. It would see us going the same was as PASOK.

Or is that why only Unknown Smith came forwards as the other higher Labour PLPs know the lunatics have taken over the establishment - big mistake to try and overthrow Corbyn the fact 80 percent of the PLP walked out on him they should have let him struggle on, and concentrated on the NEC getting the rules to elect a new leader correct!
No other party has this mad system of paying £3.00 to join the oh that's wrong make it £25
The unions would have turned on him to if he had 9 months of no shadow cabinet he was a laughing stock !
Big mistake to oust him he has benefitted from it!

 

[catcherintherye]

Or is that why only Unknown Smith came forwards as the other higher Labour PLPs know the lunatics have taken over the establishment - big mistake to try and overthrow Corbyn the fact 80 percent of the PLP walked out on him they should have let him struggle on, and concentrated on the NEC getting the rules to elect a new leader correct!
No other party has this mad system of paying £3.00 to join the oh that's wrong make it £25
The unions would have turned on him to if he had 9 months of no shadow cabinet he was a laughing stock !
Big mistake to oust him he has benefitted from it!

Aye maybe Joe. As I've said though the MP's were the ones who pushed for the change to 3 pound membership.

I don't think most are lunatics, there are a few lunatics. Most are just ordinary people, will all their frailties and insecurities.

There is a question though, that if the MP's shared your assessment that 1/2 million or so of their vote base are lunatics why are they in politics haha!

 

[summerisle]

tbh alot of the working class labour vote is a little bit racist/thick/wants a scape goat..hence the ukip vote

Whereas the Conservative vote is - - -

 

[neil999]

Whereas the Conservative vote is - - -

Dunno

 

[LEONARD]

Never trusted people who wear them Palestinian scarfs, when they've never been further than Portugal for their holidays.

 

[Toffeelover]

I find this an odd comment. Assuming the wealth is created by fair means what relevance does someone's wealth have in relation to their political beliefs?

Looking at the situation now where the talk is of hitting the rich to redress the inequality and no doubt such MPs wil support. Just seems to me a bit of hypocrisy.