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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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The binman chronicles said:
Even that would be a pretty desperate poll result don't you think? Usually the opposition would have a lead nevermind brexit and that there is an incumbent PM that no one voted for a year after the last election!! If labour had an electable leader they would be laughing now, or if the lib dems hadn't got into bed with the tories there would be a good chance they could have been the ones sitting opposite the despatch box come the next GE.

The tories can't believe their luck, they could commit murder and still win.
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The only hope the Lp have is to differentiate themselves from the Tories sufficiently. The leader and policies you appear to want them to adopt has seen them obliterated in the last two elections.
 
Joey66 said:
@davek if you have a barnett like that here's his new wife -
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I raise you this....

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magicjuan said:
It was also government policy for remain. As mentioned May was hidden away but not highlighted for her absence, Corbyn campaigned, some say unenthusiastically, I don't agree, and is basically blamed for the vote result on his own.

If you're prepared to, it is quite easy to see the hidden forces terrified by Corbyn and his popularity, doing everything they can to smear, undermine and trash his name. It happened to Wilson too and his infamous 'gnomes of Zurich' comment.
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You have hit the nail on the head here, all those with a vested interest in the free market economy are rounding on Corbyn. They fear that if government takes an interest then the obscene profits made by tax dodging companies may be limited. So called newspapers and the media who can print or report lies because they are totally unfettered will continue to castigate him because he will look at their activities.
I couldn't listen to his speech today as I was working but I read the transcript, found very little that I could disagree with, indeed I would struggle to find anything, in that speech, that I wouldn't want the Labour Party to stand for.
 

davek said:
The only hope the Lp have is to differentiate themselves from the Tories sufficiently. The leader and policies you appear to want them to adopt has seen them obliterated in the last two elections.
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The tories are moving more to the right after Cameron's Blair-esque centre ground government. Centre left would have been difference enough.
 
davek said:
The only hope the Lp have is to differentiate themselves from the Tories sufficiently. The leader and policies you appear to want them to adopt has seen them obliterated in the last two elections.
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Deluded. Labour lost because Milliband was seen as too left wing, hence the title "Red Ed". At the time of the last election, most people down here genuinely thought he was far too radically left. The revisionism needed to think that Labour were "Tory light" is unbelievable. It only looks that way now because Corbyn is a Marxist lunatic, off the scale of extreme left.

Labour would've cruised the last election with a competent leader e.g. David Milliband, Umuna, Jarvis, Benn, Burnham. They lost because of their leader, not because their policies were too close to the Tories.

If Labour want to continue with Corbyn, they'll probably get less than 25% of the vote, and there will be a 150 seat Tory majority. People don't like or want socialism. Irresponsibly borrow, wastefully invest, then tax your heart out. It just doesn't resonate with middle income swing voters. Neither do the trade unions or uncontrolled immigration. Don't say you weren't warned. It is political suicide.
 
WycombeToffee said:
Deluded. Labour lost because Milliband was seen as too left wing, hence the title "Red Ed". At the time of the last election, most people down here genuinely thought he was far too radically left. The revisionism needed to think that Labour were "Tory light" is unbelievable. It only looks that way now because Corbyn is a Marxist lunatic, off the scale of extreme left.

Labour would've cruised the last election with a competent leader e.g. David Milliband, Umuna, Jarvis, Benn, Burnham. They lost because of their leader, not because their policies were too close to the Tories.

If Labour want to continue with Corbyn, they'll probably get less than 25% of the vote, and there will be a 150 seat Tory majority. People don't like or want socialism. Irresponsibly borrow, wastefully invest, then tax your heart out. It just doesn't resonate with middle income swing voters. Neither do the trade unions or uncontrolled immigration. Don't say you weren't warned. It is political suicide.
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As a fellow "down south" blue, I have to agree. It isnt a party political point, nor even a dig. It is just the truth outside of the bubble that most political parties live in.

David Steele. "Prepare for Government". Lapped up by the Liberal activists, utterly ignored by everyone else.

Folk can rage at the machine, lob bricks at the MSM, fret that "The Establishment" is terrified that Corbyn is some threat to them so want to destroy him. Point is, electorally, on a national level, Corbyn seems to be not than an attractive option to a lot of politically unengaged people.

Thats the problem they or he have to solve. No matter how loudly his supporters cheer his every word.

Ironically, they, dont really matter.
 
magicjuan said:
It was also government policy for remain. As mentioned May was hidden away but not highlighted for her absence, Corbyn campaigned, some say unenthusiastically, I don't agree, and is basically blamed for the vote result on his own.

If you're prepared to, it is quite easy to see the hidden forces terrified by Corbyn and his popularity, doing everything they can to smear, undermine and trash his name. It happened to Wilson too and his infamous 'gnomes of Zurich' comment.
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Cameron called the referendum to appease half of his own euro sceptic party. Several big name tories were at the front of the campaign to leave along with Farage who was the leader of a far right breakaway group of tories.

I think there is plenty of ammo to make the government accountable for this. ;)

As for the second part I'm not character assassinating JC or letting others influence my view point of him, I have said previously that a lot of his policies have merit (if cash was unlimited at least) and his heart appears to be in the right place, I was hoping he was going to moderate his tone but he hasn't. The fact that he can't compromise even behind closed doors with 200 odd of his own MP's shows what he is and has always been, a protesting backbencher.

He's popular with unionists (trade) and with core socialists, I don't think that's enough to win him a general election especially since Scotland is all SNP now.
 


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