Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[magicjuan]

I agree with you regarding the democratic principle rather than the backstabbing currently going on. But the man is a disaster though........

He has been portrayed as a disaster from day one by the media in the most unstinting campaign I've ever seen any politician go through, including the Militants in the 80s. Add to that the internal undermining and he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip.

He may be an unwilling and unwanted 'leader' but for the majority of rank and file members he is a focal point and method in which that rank and file are trying to vocalise their disenfranchised feelings and dismay at the direction of the elected members.

 

[Tubey]

i thought...he may come in try and re-engage with left wing politics for a while and then resign on principle, but he's shown himself to have no principles at all..

That's how it's beginning to look sadly.

We'll see. He should be gone by this evening. If he's prepared to tear the party apart and force the creation of a new party rather than resign, then it exposes him utterly as a fraud.

 

[jal123]

This isn't just a coup against Corbyn, it is against the (increasingly supportive) membership, it is against the protocols and principles of the party and denounces the democratic process. If they want to detach from that, fair enough, but this is a pre planned and organised event using the very lame accusation of brexit as an excuse.
It also deflects from their own importance and their own association however relative with Blair pre Chilcott.

Sorry I disagree, it wasn't solely the membership. It was a lot of people who paid £3 to have their say, these people aren't Labour Party members.
This has got nothing to do with Blair, or Chilcott, it's to do with an embarrassing show of leadership by the leader of the opposition. So bad that a large percentage of Party members didn't even know the official Stance of the party in the referendum.
Something the leader deliberately engineered as he had absolutely no interest in staying, so, *he*denounced the democratic process by completely ignoring the will of his party to further himself, and His long held views on the European Union.

When the Labour Party needed someone to stand up as a leader he was off on friggin holiday for a week. The man is a joke, and I, ashamed to say I was taken in by him at the last leadership contest.

Spineless, shady and duplicitous. And if he has any principles he should resign immediately.

 

[Tubey]

He has been portrayed as a disaster from day one by the media in the most unstinting campaign I've ever seen any politician go through, including the Militants in the 80s. Add to that the internal undermining and he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip.

He may be an unwilling and unwanted 'leader' but for the majority of rank and file members he is a focal point and method in which that rank and file are trying to vocalise their disenfranchised feelings and dismay at the direction of the elected members.

He's been portrayed as one because electorally he is one.

These are the stats. When asked should Corbyn by Labour party leader...


Labour Party voters in 2015: Yes (37%), No (53%), Undecided (11%)
All Voters: Yes (26%), No (55%), Undecided (18%)


So he's basically had a snowballs chance in hell of being elected since day one. That's why he gets what he does - he's a hard left rebel, not a leader, and certainly not someone who has popular appeal beyond the mouthy Twitterati and the protesters who paid £3 to kick the Blairites. You don't win an election with those people as support.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Tom Watson calls for Corbyn to step down !

 

[magicjuan]

Sorry I disagree, it wasn't solely the membership. It was a lot of people who paid £3 to have their say, these people aren't Labour Party members.
This has got nothing to do with Blair, or Chilcott, it's to do with an embarrassing show of leadership by the leader of the opposition. So bad that a large percentage of Party members didn't even know the official Stance of the party in the referendum.
Something the leader deliberately engineered as he had absolutely no interest in staying, so, *he*denounced the democratic process by completely ignoring the will of his party to further himself, and His long held views on the European Union.

When the Labour Party needed someone to stand up as a leader he was off on friggin holiday for a week. The man is a joke, and I, ashamed to say I was taken in by him at the last leadership contest.

Spineless, shady and duplicitous. And if he has any principles he should resign immediately.

And the return of labour voters was 67% for remain. Terrible job he did there. The membership has increased along with his support.

And, seriously, with all that is going on around him you're talking about his principles?

 

[toffee matt]

 

[magicjuan]

He's been portrayed as one because electorally he is one.

These are the stats. When asked should Corbyn by Labour party leader...


Labour Party voters in 2015: Yes (37%), No (53%), Undecided (11%)
All Voters: Yes (26%), No (55%), Undecided (18%)


So he's basically had a snowballs chance in hell of being elected since day one. That's why he gets what he does - he's a hard left rebel, not a leader, and certainly not someone who has popular appeal beyond the mouthy Twitterati and the protesters who paid £3 to kick the Blairites. You don't win an election with those people as support.

And labour didn't win an election without him and in blairite manner too.

 

[Tubey]

And labour didn't win an election without him and in blairite manner too.

Ed Milliband? Blairite? Really?

Also, not really the point - saying Corbyn is defensible as a disaster just because Labour have been a disaster recently anyway doesn't make sense. A disaster is a disaster; you should try and avoid one wherever possible.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Why's juncker not resigned yet....Oh, yeah

 

[neil999]

Ed Milliband? Blairite? Really?

Also, not really the point - saying Corbyn is defensible as a disaster just because Labour have been a disaster recently anyway doesn't make sense. A disaster is a disaster; you should try and avoid one wherever possible.

anyone who isnt corybinista/far left seems to be called a blairite these days..

 

[jal123]

anyone who isnt corybinista/far left seems to be called a blairite these days..

Strange isn't it, I think it will be for the best if the far left element of the Labour Party break away and some of the good, up and coming Mp's in the Labour Party try and rebuild from scratch with the support of established politicians.

And the return of labour voters was 67% for remain. Terrible job he did there. The membership has increased along with his support.

And, seriously, with all that is going on around him you're talking about his principles?

He did an atrocious job, and if you can't see it then you must have tinted specs on.

 

[dandydan]

It's how to appeal to the knuckle draggers of our society though, a good British soldier in charge will know what to do, what a man he served this 'great' country etc.

Unfortunately I don't think Jarvis wants it, but he'd be perfect for winning votes with the nationalist/UKIP morons.

Those knuckle draggers that got the Labour Party where it is today?

 

[jal123]

Those knuckle draggers that got the Labour Party where it is today?

I'm utterly convinced you're just a crap troll but go on, tell me where the Labour Party is today.

Because it looks like it's in a dreadful state to me, are there even enough people left for all the positions in the shadow cabinet?

 

[dandydan]

I'm utterly convinced you're just a crap troll but go on, tell me where the Labour Party is today.

Because it looks like it's in a dreadful state to me, are there even enough people left for all the positions in the shadow cabinet?

From its inception it grew into the second most powerful party in Britain thanks to the working class knuckle draggers that supported it. It's in a bit of a state now and needs to decide which way to go.
I suspect they will pull the same stunt the Democrats did in America and turn their backs on the people who made them. The talk of uneducated racists being leave voters is a prime indicator.