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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate
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Your were misinformed........
davek
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peteblue
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Corbyn gave her a cut lip mate.....
I heard she kicked him in the goolies......
watched it, but somewhat side got tracked by the faces May was pulling, some weird faces going on there deffo a lizard that one. couldn't really call it one way or another.
summerisle
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catcherintherye
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I am afraid I am far more sceptical of this. As far as I was aware they are still known as a sister organisation anyway if not part of the franchise itself. Either way I hardly think we should be arming such groups as "moderate" rebels should we? Nor do I think there is anything majorly unethical in say Russia trying to target this group? There is a lot of apologism for Sunni extremism and not least from the government and press who refuse to report this. I don't agree with Trump on much, but I do agree with him when he says the "moderates" are anything but.
I am hunting down the link for you on that one. I was quite shocked as well, as it is a huge escalation. It is well known that the CIA is now ostensibly split in 2 and a rogue faction is arming and training groups to at best work in groups formally Al Queda. There is also evidence to suggest the arming and financing for ISIS came from this source. However actively fighting on behalf of ISIS would be a massive step.
As for Turkey I completely understand why they want to attack the Kurds. The Kurds are involved in an armed struggle against ISIS and Turkey simply won't tolerate this either at home or abroad. The blunt reality is that American will also not allow this and have supported the right of Turkey to shoot down planes targeting ISIS fighters.
What is shameful is Johnson is now joining in calls to protest against Russia. Where is he calling on protests outside the Saudi embassy for funding ISIS? Or the Turkish Embassy? Or the Bahrain embassy? Or the Qatari embassy? (All of who'm his government not only don't condemn but actively support). Or his own government for arming those regimes? It's much easier to blame it on Russia and then attack Corbyn for not backing some mythical revolution that is going to restore peace and justice to Syria (unless you are not a Sunni Muslim).
If you think any of that is wrong, look at what a basket case Libya has become! We've already handed that one over to ISIS.
catcherintherye
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Here's one of the links below mate, it looks like a US news outlet for former soldiers.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/0...es-cia-officer-in-aleppo-commanding-al-qaeda/
There's a lot of interesting stuff in here. While it's not reflective of the entirety of the American establishment, there is a clear rogue faction that have greatly aided, armed, trained and seemingly fought alongside ISIS that are being investigated.
Is the UK government aware of this when they try to divert attention towards Putin (who is trying to attack ISIS and said "moderate" rebels)? More importantly will any of the bonehead scumbag far right groups that want to target ordinary Muslims say a single word of criticism towards our own government, Israel or American for doing what said Muslims suggest, which is arming terrorist groups looking to attack the West? So far the silence has been deafening.
Toffeelover
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never mind all the in and out squables in those last few posts.
Hundreds of ordinary people, men, women and children are being killed in Aleppo by Russia and Assad's portion of Syria. Of this there is no doubt and that Russia destroyed the aid convoy.
Russia wants to hand Aleppo to Assad, in return Russia will get a warm water base ans airbase. Assad will then rule for time being a rump Syria. Russia should be asked why so much bombing of Aleppo and so little of ISIS.
Hundreds of ordinary people, men, women and children are being killed in Aleppo by Russia and Assad's portion of Syria. Of this there is no doubt and that Russia destroyed the aid convoy.
Russia wants to hand Aleppo to Assad, in return Russia will get a warm water base ans airbase. Assad will then rule for time being a rump Syria. Russia should be asked why so much bombing of Aleppo and so little of ISIS.
tsubaki
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There is a lot wrong with your post, a short list follows:
i) Russia already has a warm water port (Tartus) in Syria, indeed they have had it since the early seventies
ii) Syrian forces, backed by Russia and Iran, have retaken many areas from IS - Palmyra for example
iii) Syrian forces were actually attacking IS positions when the US "accidentally" bombed them in mid-September, an attack which came just after a ceasefire was agreed and for which the aid convoy bombing was probably retribution.
No-one is questioning that they have killed hundreds of people in Aleppo; the point is that what people are talking up here as a cause for war is something that far fewer people are talking up when the Saudis do it in Yemen, or when the Coalition does it (as collateral damage), and certainly not when the Israelis do it in Gaza. This talk of a no-fly zone is idiocy of the most dangerous kind.
summerisle
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Happy campers they're not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828#"
MEP Steven Woolfe quits UKIP
A UKIP MEP who spent three nights in hospital after a row with a party colleague is quitting the party, saying it is in a "death spiral".
Steven Woolfe, who had been running to be the next leader, told the BBC there was "something rotten" in the party.
He also accused fellow MEP Mike Hookem of inflicting a "blow" to his face in the row at a party meeting.
Mr Hookem has acknowledged a "scuffle" but said he "categorically did not" throw a punch at his colleague.
Mr Woolfe was rushed to hospital after collapsing following the incident, which UKIP described as an "altercation", and came during a meeting to discuss reports the North West England MEP had had discussions about joining the Conservatives.
'Man to man'
In the BBC interview, Mr Woolfe said he had told Mr Hookem "let's go outside and discuss this man-to-man" after they clashed during UKIP's meeting in the European Parliament, saying he had been suggesting they discuss their differences verbally.
Asked what happened next, Mr Woolfe said: "He rushed at me. A blow to my face forced me back through the door." He added: "I couldn't see whether it was a fist, whether it was an open hand...the point was it was a blow that impacted me."
Mr Woolfe said he was pushed back into the room and hit the back of his head against a wall and denied aggression towards Mr Hookem, saying: "It was too quick."
He said that while he was voting in the European Parliament later, he started getting a severe headache and sought medical help.
He said the doctors were "incredibly concerned" about him and that he was unconscious "for quite some time".
Had it not been for the medics, he said "things would have been a lot more severe for me".
According to Mr Hookem, Mr Woolfe suggested they "take it outside of the room".
Speaking to the BBC after the incident, Mr Hookem said: "When I walked in he approached me to attack me. He came at me, I defended myself. There were no punches thrown, there was no face slapping, there were no digs, there was nothing."
Mr Woolfe was seen as a frontrunner to become UKIP leader after the surprise resignation of Diane James.
However, he said he was withdrawing as a candidate and resigning from the party immediately, "with a huge amount of sadness".
Divisions within the party had created "huge negative camps", he said, with some "horrific" things said about him after the row.
"I think they've got a spiral, someone suggested that it's a death spiral, of their own making," he said, adding: "I think unless someone very quickly can wrestle with the issues that they've got then we will see the loss of something that I think shouldn't be lost."
Only a "small handful" of UKIP politicians and officials had contacted him to ask how he was since the incident, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828#"
MEP Steven Woolfe quits UKIP
A UKIP MEP who spent three nights in hospital after a row with a party colleague is quitting the party, saying it is in a "death spiral".
Steven Woolfe, who had been running to be the next leader, told the BBC there was "something rotten" in the party.
He also accused fellow MEP Mike Hookem of inflicting a "blow" to his face in the row at a party meeting.
Mr Hookem has acknowledged a "scuffle" but said he "categorically did not" throw a punch at his colleague.
Mr Woolfe was rushed to hospital after collapsing following the incident, which UKIP described as an "altercation", and came during a meeting to discuss reports the North West England MEP had had discussions about joining the Conservatives.
'Man to man'
In the BBC interview, Mr Woolfe said he had told Mr Hookem "let's go outside and discuss this man-to-man" after they clashed during UKIP's meeting in the European Parliament, saying he had been suggesting they discuss their differences verbally.
Asked what happened next, Mr Woolfe said: "He rushed at me. A blow to my face forced me back through the door." He added: "I couldn't see whether it was a fist, whether it was an open hand...the point was it was a blow that impacted me."
Mr Woolfe said he was pushed back into the room and hit the back of his head against a wall and denied aggression towards Mr Hookem, saying: "It was too quick."
He said that while he was voting in the European Parliament later, he started getting a severe headache and sought medical help.
He said the doctors were "incredibly concerned" about him and that he was unconscious "for quite some time".
Had it not been for the medics, he said "things would have been a lot more severe for me".
According to Mr Hookem, Mr Woolfe suggested they "take it outside of the room".
Speaking to the BBC after the incident, Mr Hookem said: "When I walked in he approached me to attack me. He came at me, I defended myself. There were no punches thrown, there was no face slapping, there were no digs, there was nothing."
Mr Woolfe was seen as a frontrunner to become UKIP leader after the surprise resignation of Diane James.
However, he said he was withdrawing as a candidate and resigning from the party immediately, "with a huge amount of sadness".
Divisions within the party had created "huge negative camps", he said, with some "horrific" things said about him after the row.
"I think they've got a spiral, someone suggested that it's a death spiral, of their own making," he said, adding: "I think unless someone very quickly can wrestle with the issues that they've got then we will see the loss of something that I think shouldn't be lost."
Only a "small handful" of UKIP politicians and officials had contacted him to ask how he was since the incident, he added.
Supposedly another party member who was there said Woolfe took his jacket off and said to the other fella "Let's take this outside" Only one reason why you would take your jacket off and say lets take this outside, and it's not to have a chat.
Woolfe had already been talking about quitting UKIP and defecting to the Tories, then he decided to run for UKIP leader, supposedly the argument was about how Woolfe could talk to the Tories about joining them, then decide to run for UKIP leader.
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summerisle
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