Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[1966efc]

Labour has always been a see - saw. Its idealistic wing & its social democrats have struggled for dominance over the years and, frankly, have little in common other than a dislike / hatred of the Tories.

It takes a very accomplished politician to keep the see - saw balanced, and in a position to achieve power. It's difficult to spot one in the current crop.

There won't be any polls of true value till the boundary changes take effect. At that point, the focus of party activists will be sharpened.

I've seen nothing so far to suggest Labour won't be reduced to an ineffective group of around 190 / 200 members given the likely changes. If the in fighting continues, there's nothing to suggest it won't be more like 150 with Ukip making some ground in the north - not enough to take seats off Labour, but sufficient to let Tories in.

 

[hullefc]

Is Hull Labour MP Diana Johnson facing being ousted by her own constituency party?

Hopefully, more and more constituency parties will have a vote of no confidence in those that resigned from the shadow cabinet, leading to full deselection.

 

[jal123]

Is Hull Labour MP Diana Johnson facing being ousted by her own constituency party?

Hopefully, more and more constituency parties will have a vote of no confidence in those that resigned from the shadow cabinet, leading to full deselection.

And then what? I don't know anything about Diana Johnson but if you want everyone who's resigned from Corbyns shadow cabinet deselected there won't be much of a Labour Party left.

Corbyn should resign, join a proper left wing extremist party and stop being a bleating hypocrite.

Someone above posted about him moaning about people rebelling against the leader when he's done that for 30 years.

 

[hullefc]

And then what? I don't know anything about Diana Johnson but if you want everyone who's resigned from Corbyns shadow cabinet deselected there won't be much of a Labour Party left.

Corbyn should resign, join a proper left wing extremist party and stop being a bleating hypocrite.

Someone above posted about him moaning about people rebelling against the leader when he's done that for 30 years.

The local Labour party members can select someone that represents their views. That's the democracy inside the Labour Party, local members vote for their prospective candidates. For too long most local branches of the Labour Party have been sick and tired of people being forced on them by the central Labour Party. These people do not necessarily represent the views locally and that is why there is a lot of anger amongst Labour party members with these resignations.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I was reading the other day that Jo Cox was one of those that put Corbyn into the hat without really wanting him as leader. As she seems to be held in incredibly high regard since the tragic events of last week, I wonder if there aren't other Labour MPs of a similar ilk who are decent MPs but just aren't a fan of Corbyn?

 

[1966efc]

I was reading the other day that Jo Cox was one of those that put Corbyn into the hat without really wanting him as leader. As she seems to be held in incredibly high regard since the tragic events of last week, I wonder if there aren't other Labour MPs of a similar ilk who are decent MPs but just aren't a fan of Corbyn?

172 / 40.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

172 / 40.

Sorry, I'm not sure what that means.

 

[hullefc]

I was reading the other day that Jo Cox was one of those that put Corbyn into the hat without really wanting him as leader. As she seems to be held in incredibly high regard since the tragic events of last week, I wonder if there aren't other Labour MPs of a similar ilk who are decent MPs but just aren't a fan of Corbyn?

Do you have the link/source with the words used by Jo Cox that she didn't want Corbyn as leader?

 

[jal123]

Sorry, I'm not sure what that means.

172 voted against him in the 'secret' ballot, 40 were still with him.

 

[1966efc]

Sorry, I'm not sure what that means.

Apols - should have qualified but domestic situation took my attention away.


I don't think (or at least, I haven't come across) an analysis of those who nominated Corbyn and those who still support him. The only measure of his true support at the moment is the recent confidence poll.

 

[jal123]

Apols - should have qualified but domestic situation took my attention away.


I don't think (or at least, I haven't come across) an analysis of those who nominated Corbyn and those who still support him. The only measure of his true support at the moment is the recent confidence poll.

The trouble is I saw that result described as positive because he had 35 nominations for the leadership race and now 40 support him!
That's Bobby Martinez levels of spin.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Is Hull Labour MP Diana Johnson facing being ousted by her own constituency party?

Hopefully, more and more constituency parties will have a vote of no confidence in those that resigned from the shadow cabinet, leading to full deselection.

All the people in this cabinet are doing are showing that they have more integrity then Jeremy Corbyn ever had. While he sat comfortably in the Blairite government (which I take it you would expect was far for from left wing?!) happily excepting money to be their token socialist and comedy protest vote, he never once threatened to resign. You know why? Because he knew nobody would care if he did, and the only person that would lose out was himself and his own wallet! Basically you want Labour to become a far Left Wing unelectable party, well if you want that I can't understand why you don't just vote for TUSC? It seams like they wou the represent your beliefs much more then the modern Labour party. Corbyn will destroy the Labour party given half the chance, as he's totally unelectable. The only people who would vote for him are his gang of Wolfie Smith left wing activists, and in the process of making them happy he would practically create a one party state for the Conservative's, a truly terrifying prospect of ever there was one!

 

[1966efc]

The trouble is I saw that result described as positive because he had 35 nominations for the leadership race and now 40 support him!
That's Bobby Martinez levels of spin.

I would say it's unbelievable but if you spend any time with the London Labour members, you'd think it's par for the course.

 

[hullefc]

Unions continue to back Jeremy Corbyn as leader

Unite's Len McCluskey said Corbyn's supporters are the unions are ready to back Corbyn. Credit: PA


Unite has shown its continued support for Jeremy Corbyn and said the union is ready to back him if there is an election.

General Secretary Len McCluskey said: "The extraordinary behaviour of Labour MPs has achieved nothing beyond diverting attention from a Tory government in crisis.

"If anyone wants to change the Labour leadership, they must do it openly and democratically through an election, not through resignations and pointless posturing.

"If there has to be such an election, Jeremy Corbyn's supporters throughout the movement will be ready for it."

A Labour source loyal to Corbyn also added any attempts to oust him would amount to "shoving two fingers up to democracy".

Just as there are those that want to disregard the leave vote, because it doesn't suit their agenda. There are those in the Parliamentary Labour Party that want to run roughshod over the democratic wishes of the rank and file.

 

[magicjuan]

And then what? I don't know anything about Diana Johnson but if you want everyone who's resigned from Corbyns shadow cabinet deselected there won't be much of a Labour Party left.

Corbyn should resign, join a proper left wing extremist party and stop being a bleating hypocrite.

Someone above posted about him moaning about people rebelling against the leader when he's done that for 30 years.

1. He rebelled against policies not leaders
2. With Corbyn having more union support than the careerist MPs then let's see how the MPs survive without union funding and support. You are aware that labour was created to be a voice for trade unionists and the working class, not the careers of mealy mouthed diet tories with an overriding sense of self importance and power lust?