Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[jal123]

Just seen on the echo Burnham is next.

Now if anyone is self serving it is him, not 48 hours after coming out in support of our dear leader he's stabbed him in the back.

Almost like he's running a mayoral campaign somewhere, isn't it?

 

[jal123]

Also 3 people who were appointed yesterday to shad cab.

You couldn't make it up

 

[Toffeelover]

Just seen on the echo Burnham is next.

Now if anyone is self serving it is him, not 48 hours after coming out in support of our dear leader he's stabbed him in the back.

Almost like he's running a mayoral campaign somewhere, isn't it?

=Toad.

 

[tsubaki]

If Burnham joins in you have to wonder about his sanity, it would be worse than when Clare Short did a similar thing over Iraq - everyone, on both sides, would hold him in contempt.

 

[Tubey]

Just seen on the echo Burnham is next.

Now if anyone is self serving it is him, not 48 hours after coming out in support of our dear leader he's stabbed him in the back.

Almost like he's running a mayoral campaign somewhere, isn't it?

Burnham is one of the only ones who I can say for certain is looking out for number one in all this.

I can understand Corbyn's actions (even though I disagree strongly), and I can certainly understand the rebellious MPs (who have the electorate in mind and no faith in their leader), but I can't understand those who won't take a stance because they're afraid to stick or twist in case it hurts their career.

And that's where Burnham is at. Unfortunate, as I want to like him, but it is what it is.

 

[toffee matt]

Corbyn's gone full Roberto Martinez hasn't he.

 

[Mrk]

Corbyn's gone full Roberto Martinez hasn't he.

Harsh on Martinez to be fair, at least he had a good first season.

 

[Khalekan]

herein lies the whole upset with Corbyn, never mind what Attrotel posted, Corbyn did not actively, Energetically or enthusiatically campaign for the In Camp. Why did Labour not have a bus an d go round the country for example. Corbyn was lukewarm in his talk of staying in the EU. Never really addressed any of the issues linked to the EU whether in or out.

According to Alan Johnson, in a letter circulated to Labour MPs yesterday, he has proof that not only was Corbyn lukewarm in support of the party's stated position of Remain, he actively had his office work to undermine the Labour MP charged with spearheading their campaign.

Obviously I cannot know if that is true or not but I will take Mr. Johnson at face value and say such proof must exist.

 

[dandydan]

What caused Corbyn to come out for remain? He must have been pressured from somewhere. I should point out I'm not trying to get into the referendum thing here but genuinely curious about this.

 

[tsubaki]

What caused Corbyn to come out for remain? He must have been pressured from somewhere. I should point out I'm not trying to get into the referendum thing here but genuinely curious about this.

They made him sign up to it during the leadership election.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Corbyn's gone full Roberto Martinez hasn't he.

Still think it's a bit harsh to compare him to El Fraudo.

 

[Milkman]

Corbyn's gone full Roberto Martinez hasn't he.

Not quite. The board loved Martinez, but the fans didn't. Fortunately, the board responded to the will of the public, not the other way around.

Also, Martinez was sh*te.

 

[tsubaki]

According to Alan Johnson, in a letter circulated to Labour MPs yesterday, he has proof that not only was Corbyn lukewarm in support of the party's stated position of Remain, he actively had his office work to undermine the Labour MP charged with spearheading their campaign.

Obviously I cannot know if that is true or not but I will take Mr. Johnson at face value and say such proof must exist.

I am not sure that it does, unless the "leaked" emails that they have been giving to the Press are rather weaker evidence than the one Johnson is on about. They all seemed to be removing personal thumbs up from Corbyn for whatever, in favour of blander statements from the Party as a whole.

In any case though I am a bit amazed how that qualifies as undermining the Remain campaign when trying to turn the debate (as Tom Watson and some others did) into one about the "concerns of communities" of migration doesn't, given that even the dogs in the street could see that the only way of actually dealing with EU migration would be to leave.

 

[dandydan]

Is this blairite takeover attempt about Corbyn and the referendum, or the impending chilcot report?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

What caused Corbyn to come out for remain? He must have been pressured from somewhere. I should point out I'm not trying to get into the referendum thing here but genuinely curious about this.

I think he was trying to hold the party together and as most of his cabinet were for remain he caved. He handled it shockingly though, he'd of be better either proudly saying he was for leaving and that he disagrees with his cabinet but respects their points of view all the while saying it's not a party political matter, which it wasn't. Or he could he could of gone in properly, hart and soul for the Remain campaign, as any fool could see he wasn't really trying or even believing his own arguments. As it was he did neither and looked incredibly weak in the process of doing so.