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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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Couldn't agree more. I'm from a working class area and the vast, vast majority of working class people I have grown up with are, on the whole, centrists, with small-c conservative views on topics such as immigration, welfare, government spending and centre-left views on unions, taxation etc

Until the left understand that the working class in this country aren't radical socialists (or socialists at all for that matter!) they'll continue to be completely irrelevant. Such a pity.
Yeah was just about to reply similarly

They are still working off that ancient Marxist reasoning that if we educate the working class on class consciousness they'll surely see socialism is the only answer!

It's so out of touch. It was hard for me to have any hope in Corbyn at all when he is surrounded by so many clowns, and I think that's why there has been so many in the party so wary from the start.
 


An interesting view. I must say, I do tire of his strident delivery after a while but it's worth watching to get a flavour of why Jezzer is so trusted/supported....


Yes but this is just a small section of the electorate.

The PLP are saying thats just a fringe and the wider electorate - simply will not vote for him.

Thats what.
 
Yes but this is just a small section of the electorate.

The PLP are saying thats just a fringe and the wider electorate - simply will not vote for him.

Thats what.

Well, yes, but I do think that he is liked and respected than many more people than either the mainstream media or the PLP care to admit.

Go along with the systematic demonisation of possibly the only decent man in the HoC if you must. I choose a different path....
 
er - Blair's biggest victory came about because he promised a national minimum wage, a windfall tax on privatized utilities, reforming PFI (!), increased spending on the NHS, increasing the stock of social housing, to continue talking to the IRA, and to work towards multilateral nuclear disarmament.


Yes, but Brown held the purse strings. So it is him that you should rebuke.
 
Well, yes, but I do think that he is liked and respected than many more people than either the mainstream media or the PLP care to admit.

Go along with the systematic demonisation of possibly the only decent man in the HoC if you must. I choose a different path....

Is he though?

I've already told you. I could never vote for him. Ever.

I've voted labour in the past but some of his policies simply makes him (and ergo Labour) unelectable. This is what the PLP are clearly saying they are seeing in their constituencies. Hence the cause of the revolt.
 

Is he though?

I've already told you. I could never vote for him. Ever.

I've voted labour in the past but some of his policies simply makes him (and ergo Labour) unelectable. This is what the PLP are clearly saying they are seeing in their constituencies.

Yes, he is.

Which policies are they, by the way?
 
No, it really isn't. There is a political class who do not like bottom-up democratic activity. They don't like Corbyn because he listens to the people and openly rejects neoliberal austerity.



When did I say that?



Nothing we've tried so far seems to have worked. As much as a Blairite government was, in so many ways, hugely preferable to a Tory one, inequality was not effectively tackled. The poverty gap, to Labour's great shame, continued to grow, if not at the alarming rate of the Tory era.



If you can't see that there is still a a strong Blairite (i.e. anti-clause 4, pro-corporations/the city, anti-union, pro-American War Policy) faction in the PLP then I'm not sure I can ever hope to communicate properly with you. The simple fact is, many hundreds of thousands - millions, probably, when you think about it- of people have been alienated from the political process by a great senses that "They're all as bad as each other" and that "It makes no difference who you vote for." The effect of that has been catastrophically anti-democratic and has allowed corporations and moguls like Murdoch (Godfather the Blair's youngest, lest we forget - the poor sod) to effectively do as they wish. Who was challenging austerity? Who fights against zero hours contracts? Who speaks positively about unionisation - workers having a voice?

Corbyn has brought many thousands of those disenfranchised people back to the political debate. He has invigorated our democracy.

There is a crisis in the Labour Party right now but let's be clear - it is not of Jeremy Corbyn's making.

Now I see, that must be the Momentum group.
 

That's utter rubbish, by the way. The PLP are getting lots of pro-Corbyn feedback.

Is it though?

No mate. They're being lobbied by a very vocal small minority of the electorate. 'Rent a Mob'

You don't win elections by not appealing to a wide spectrum of the electorate. The PLP are saying they have no confidence in him and he's incapable of doing so.

170 to 40!

Thats some no confidence vote against him.

4 to 1 against.
 
Well, yes, but I do think that he is liked and respected than many more people than either the mainstream media or the PLP care to admit.

Go along with the systematic demonisation of possibly the only decent man in the HoC if you must. I choose a different path....

Perhaps the thread title should be changed - do you like Jeremy Corbyn and have a poll yes or no.
 

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