Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Toffeelover]

Any politician that has to try and organise support onto the streets to demonstrate 'support'

Is a weak politician and whom actually clearly very few people in the wider electorate support.


This is a fact. Popular British politicians simply don't need their friends on twitter calling people to come out. They don't.

Diane Abbott and McDonnell both have in the past 48 hours.

desperation.?

 

[Milkman]

Mate. Corbyn was ranting and raving comparing Israel and Islamic state at an Antisemitism report publication - at which one of his own Jewish MPs was smeared by his own supporter in the crowd yesterday.


Its clear whats going on. If anyone in Labour thinks the middle ground would vote Labour right now with Corbyn in charge they are absolutely deluding themselves.

You do not get power (into government) only appealing to your own support. That might not be what you want to hear but its true.

Christ. You have a serious agenda with rhetoric like that. Go back to the Daily Mail mate.

 

[Toffeelover]

Look, since you are clearly trolling I will address this to everyone else.

At that press conference he said that "our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are responsible for the actions of self-styled Islamic states and organizations" Here is footage of him saying it.

So why did he not say Saudi Arabis, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Iran?????

 

[tsubaki]

Mate. Telling you the truth that you obviously don't want to hear - isn't trolling.

Its called telling you politely.

There are many many people that simply could never vote for Corbyn. He's unelectable.

The PLP is simply doing what they think is right. I agree with them.

You aren't telling the truth though. I have put a video on there of him saying what he said, wheras you claimed he "was ranting and raving comparing Israel and Islamic state at an Antisemitism report publication" - which is demonstrably bollocks.

 

[Clint Planet]

Any politician that has to try and organise support onto the streets to demonstrate 'support'

Is a weak politician and whom actually clearly very few people in the wider electorate support.


This is a fact. Popular British politicians simply don't need their friends on twitter calling people to come out. They don't.

Diane Abbott and McDonnell both have in the past 48 hours.

I am not a mob, nor am I part of any mob. I am a member of a political party and I have a right to organise and support whatever cause I wish. I am not for sale, nor for rent - far from it. I am certainly far more principled than anyone who might seek to demean genuine democratic activity with terms like "rent a mob." You've embarrassed yourself, tbh.

What you are doing is demonising public political demonstrations which, to be frank, is rather troubling. That way, totalitarianism lies.....

Stand back and look at what is really happening here.

 

[bizzaro]

Christ. You have a serious agenda with rhetoric like that. Go back to the Daily Mail mate.

Yes. This is standard tactic in the Labour party right now - thanks to Momentum.

Anyone in the middle ground isn't radical enough and is tagged a Blairite or similar.

The fringe left are only interested in confirming their own views.


That is no way to form a credible or get into government.

 

[bizzaro]

I am not a mob, nor am I part of any mob. I am a member of a political party and I have a right to organise and support whatever cause I wish. I am not for sale, nor for rent - far from it. I am certainly far more principled than anyone who might seek to demean genuine democratic activity with terms like "rent a mob." You've embarrassed yourself, tbh.

What you are doing is demonising public political demonstrations which, to be frank, is rather troubling. That way, totalitarianism lies.....

Stand back and look at what is really happening here.

Go and tell Dianne Abbott that.

She's on twitter.

She was demanding people went to protest.


Its a sign of the real weakness there is in Labour right now. Thanks to Corbyn

 

[tsubaki]

So why did he not say Saudi Arabis, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Iran?????

because when was the last time you heard someone go up to a muslim to ask them whether they agreed with what the Kuwaitis were doing?

 

[Milkman]

Yes. This is standard tactic in the Labour party right now - thanks to Momentum.

Anyone in the middle ground isn't radical enough and is tagged a Blairite or similar.

The fringe left are only interested in confirming their own views.


That is no way to form a credible or get into government.

I shouldn't be rising to it, I know, but you're about as insightful as Robbie Savage.

 

[bizzaro]

I shouldn't be rising to it, I know, but you're about as insightful as Robbie Savage.

Rent a mob.

Its the sort of thing that goes on in dictatorships. Get people onto the streets to make yourself look more popular than you are...

 

[Clint Planet]

Go and tell Dianne Abbott that.

She's on twitter.

She was demanding people went to protest.


Its a sign of the real weakness there is in Labour right now. Thanks to Corbyn

No, Matt, that's what all politicians do. it's what all Evertonians do. It's what all people do. They seek support for their cause.

And if Diane Abbott (for whom I have no affection at all an not a massive amount of respect) "demands" that people go to a demonstration, so what? Nobody went there because DA "demanded" it. They (ordinary people: factory workers, drivers, nurses, teachers, office workers, bankers, window cleaners) went there because they heard through social media that there was a rally that they believed in. People do not go to political rallies because they're told to. Giving up your free time is a massive sacrifice in this day and age. They go because they want to be heard.

And you are a disgrace for characterising them as some thuggish band of enforcers.

You, yourself, are what you accuse them of.

 

[bizzaro]

No, Matt, that's what all politicians do. it's what all Evertonians do. It's what all people do. They seek support for their cause.

And if Diane Abbott (for whom I have no affection at all an not a massive amount of respect) "demands" that people go to a demonstration, so what? Nobody went there because DA "demanded" it. They (ordinary people: factory workers, drivers, nurses, teachers, office workers, bankers, window cleaners) went there because they heard through social media that there was a rally that they believed in. People do not go to political rallies because they're told to. Giving up your free time is a massive sacrifice in this day and age. They go because they want to be heard.

And you are a disgrace for characterising them as some thuggish band of enforcers.

You, yourself, are what you accuse them of.

How dare you compare Evertonians to this shower.

Or Everton to it.

Nothing at all a like. If you read history all the way back to Roman history its the sort of tactics weak politicians use to try and prop themselves up. Trying to appear popular.

He's not popular in the wider electorate.

It cannot be made more clear.

 

[Clint Planet]

How dare you compare Evertonians to this shower.

Boom!

 

[Blue 1]

Mate. Corbyn was ranting and raving comparing Israel and Islamic state

Don't be silly. There was no ranting and raving and he didn't say Israel was like the Islamic State. I've seen the clip.

 

[peteblue]

Look, since you are clearly trolling I will address this to everyone else.

At that press conference he said that "our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are responsible for the actions of self-styled Islamic states and organizations" Here is footage of him saying it.

I am one of Corbyns biggest critics but I didn't think he said anything that was out of order. However, he should have intervened when that nutter had a go at the Jewish Lady MP.......