Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[roydo]

did Can racially abuse Holgate.

Pretty sure he didnt. Firmino might have though.

 

[billyblue80]

If removing the blue-tinted glasses then it really isn't irrelevant: he was lucky to not get at least a yellow card for a pretty silly push.

Furthermore, while I do not personally think it's a red I understand why some people would claim it was violent conduct and worthy of a red.

If there's no punishment for Firmino then I think it'll be brushed under the carpet, yet if there is then I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a ban too.

Yes it was at least a yellow maybe more but it started with that terrible ref giving a soft pen against Mason, it wound him up. Not justifying his actions afterwards but it was another example of the ref losing control and it started before the push.

 

[Caolam]

No harm in doing both.

I seem to be disagreeing with almost everyone on this issue.
I think there is harm to be done in trying to do both. If we come out and defend someone who has done nothing wrong in regard to racial abuse we open up the debate to more than that. We dilute the issue, if you have any court experience or just watch politicians you can see that a defence is to broaden out the issue to allow you to show yourself in a better light in regard to other matters. If You can allow yourself the room to show that you can't be racist as your wife's first cousin twice removed once dated a person of different colour then you can show that you wouldn't call a person names. If you can show that the person who have been racially abused had some iffy opinions in the past then you start to put them on trial. Everton and Holgate need to keep the spotlight firmly on the incident, that is what counts.
Another problem I have with going to the press is that the storey will play out before the FA deal with it, if the public interest has been played out in the papers and people's interest then wanes then the FA can brush it under the carpet knowing that they won't come in for too much stick.
Keep the spotlight firmly on the issue, was Mason Holgate racially abused.

 

[Caolam]

Pretty sure he didnt. Firmino might have though.

Apologise profusely, I was on the soap box.

 

[Khalekan]

There are a small minority of idiots, but they are just that. Most of us have a bit more empathy. Blues lost friends and family as well, one of the HJC founders is a blue and it's worth remembering that if the draw had been different and we'd got Forest instead of Villa, 96 Everton fans would have died instead. I've certainly never seen Everton fans mocking Hillsborough, it's more the sort of thing Man United fans do. Heysel, maybe. Hillsborough, no.

It's a bit rich when the same people who cry about Hillsborough make Munich jokes, though. Plane dances, etc. Hillsborough is not funny. Neither is Munich. There's banter and then there's outright cruelty.

To be honest, I don't even think there is a "small minority" of Evertonians would "mock" Hillsborough.

And if such a cretin does exist, he or she would not be native to the City of Liverpool.

Because as you rightly say, Hillsborough was a tragedy that hit the City of Liverpool, not merely Liverpool F.C.

As anyone travelling home from Villa Park on a coach or train that day will attest.

On our coach, the atmosphere was solemn because half the Blues on it had brothers, uncles, sisters, cousins, mates etc. in Sheffield with the RS and it impossible to get news of them in those pre cell phone days.

 

[PhilM]

As anyone travelling home from Villa Park on a coach or train that day will attest.

On our coach, the atmosphere was solemn because half the Blues on it had brothers, uncles, sisters, cousins, mates etc. in Sheffield with the RS and it impossible to get news of them in those pre cell phone days.

This 100%!

 

[Saint Domingo]

Holgate shouldn’t face any punishment. The ref saw that incident and can’t claim not to have. He then chose not to issue a card for it.

He’s clearly claiming he didn’t hear Firmino otherwise surely an on field red would have been brandished. Therefore IF Firmino is round guilry retrospective action can take place against him. This line of argument of ‘Holgate should get a ban too if Firmino does’ is complete nonsense.

What is more worrying is I half suspect Madley did hear something, bottled the situation, realised he then couldn’t book Holgate, then went to the official John Moss pretending he hadn’t heard anything. The fat kopite prick Moss undoubtedly also claimed ignorance and will have left it to a post match review. That’s my take on it anyhow. Not sure how it was possible for Holgate to hear something and Madley not to when he’s holding back Firmino. Neither him or Moss had the stones (or the inclination) to brandish a red card at Anfield. Well done Holgate for sticking to his convictions if he genuinely believes he’s a victim of racism and filing the report so that it doesn’t just go away.

 

[Harryflashman]

None of this Hillsborough stuff picked up on video again, despite the amount of phones in the crowd.

Or the thousands of iPads those weirdos take to video the experience.

 

[Goat]

Horrible vile gimps.

They get accused of racism again and try and deflect with the Hillsborough shouts again.

Ashamed of nothing, always the victim.

 

[kev]

Keep the spotlight firmly on the issue, was Mason Holgate racially abused.

Until (and IF) an investigation is held and finds proof then none of us (barring he player involved) will ever know.

 

[Harryflashman]

To be honest, I don't even think there is a "small minority" of Evertonians would "mock" Hillsborough.

And if such a cretin does exist, he or she would not be native to the City of Liverpool.

Because as you rightly say, Hillsborough was a tragedy that hit the City of Liverpool, not merely Liverpool F.C.

As anyone travelling home from Villa Park on a coach or train that day will attest.

On our coach, the atmosphere was solemn because half the Blues on it had brothers, uncles, sisters, cousins, mates etc. in Sheffield with the RS and it impossible to get news of them in those pre cell phone days.

That journey back was just terrible , I remember stopping and all of us queuing at a payphone to try and ring Home . I don’t think there was one of us on our bus that didn’t have family or close friends there , it’s something I’ll never forget .

My family was directly effected by the tragedy , it still effects us to this day . I refuse to be lectured by some 21 year old from Kent or Norway that because they write YNWA at the end of everything or JF96 they think understand what this city went through .

 

[Toast]

Or the thousands of iPads those weirdos take to video the experience.

Bolasie was taking a corner and there was rows of fans filming it.
Looked very odd.
I wish he had dummied taking it, turned round, waved at them.
Would have been boss that.

 

[canuckblue]

Bolasie was taking a corner and there was rows of fans filming it.
Looked very odd.
I wish he had dummied taking it, turned round, flicked them the finger.
Would have been boss that.

Better.

 

[bcblue1878]

Mason, according to FA rules, can't be banned for the push. The officials saw it at the time and took appropriate action.

I can't remember if a free kick was given, but even if not then the referee deemed it not worthy of penalising.

If the referee claimed he didn't see any push and thus allow the FA to ban our player, then he shouldn't be allowed to ever officiate a game again.

Pretty sure the game restarted with a thrown in for them!

 

[toffeejack]

Does my nut in how they always use this Hillsborough card. Where's the evidence? Where had the evidence ever been? I'm not a scouser, I don't need to be a scouser to know even fans would never ever do this. It's disgusting, they're using the deaths of their own fellow supporters just to try and point score over us.

Their whole stadium is full of day trippers who record the whole game on their phones. If something like that was going on, there would be at least one person with video evidence to prove this happened. Why the [Poor language removed] do we have to defend this every bloody Derby! They're the sickest fans in the world trying to drag our great name down to their level. It's not going to happen.

Mind you, half of them are so thick that they get their songs wrong or just lack the common decency to do their own research. That's the problem with social media, everyone starts posting hurtful crap from behind a computer screen without thinking. They think they're untouchable, even if it is a lie.