No. At least Walker was on our sideMy god with regards to the worst Everton manager poll, i think i'll leave that job to someone else!
It's 50/50 between Mike Walker and Rafael Benitez there.
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No. At least Walker was on our sideMy god with regards to the worst Everton manager poll, i think i'll leave that job to someone else!
It's 50/50 between Mike Walker and Rafael Benitez there.
I was trying to be diplomatic there, but yeah it was that obese and odious kopite pig!No. At least Walker was on our side
Catterick and Kendall but i'd add Joe Royle to the list as well.
He didn't have the same levels of success that the other two enjoyed, but still though Joe is our only manager outside of Harry and Howard to win us a trophy post the second world war.
So unlucky against Villa in that league cup final second replay. He was cheated out of taking us to an FA Cup final by Clive Thomas as well.I would also add Gordon Lee as well.
We played some great football under Gordon and were involved in two Title challenges, finishing top four two seasons running and qualifying for Europe.
An uncomfortable truth: the 1969/70 side was a butterfly: a one-season wonder.
We all have our preferences and biases, but the harsh truth for that great side is it achieved far too little to be compared to the mid-80s side which won two leagues, an FA Cup, European trophy, four Charity Shields, and played in a League Cup final and two more FA Cup finals - and all within four years.
It's not even a contest. What a season, though.
People can legitimately argue that the 1969/70 side was better - but they can't argue it was greater. Its achievements are summed up by the fact we refer to it as a side from a single season - "the 1969/70 team" - rather than the more expansive "1980s side".
Harry Catterick's greatness compares with Howard Kendall's. They match up well in terms of trophies and achievements. But the 1969/70 side does not match up with the 1980s side on those criteria. Yet, for a season, they were glorious.
The league was more competitive under Kendal.
That team was no one season wonders. They should've won the cup in 1968 as you said, and the consensus seems to be that they reached their peak in 1968/1969.I think that's harsh. I see it more as 69/70 was the culmination of a young team who had come close in previous seasons, going one better and winning the league in style. You've got to remember that this was the second great team Catterick produced, replacing the likes of Vernon and Young from the early-mid 60s with lots of home grown talent. We should have won the cup in 68 and by all accounts the football from 67-70 was as good as anything we've ever played.
It's certainly disappointing how it panned out after 1970, however 2 different results in March 1971 against the RS and panathanikos and things could have panned out so differently. Small margins.
It really wasn't.
I mean of course there was the great Liverpool side that HK overcame, but the league in the late 60s was far more competitive, with some truly great teams...Leeds, Man Utd (who won the European cup in 68), Liverpool, Man City all had really good teams.
I think Harry has more accumulated points won as a manager in the 60's, than the likes of Busby, Shankly and Revie etc.In reality the sixties was the era when all pigs really were equal to a point. The four big North West clubs traded blows with Dirty Leeds, Spurs and others like WBA and WHU had their fair share of glory. I would argue that Catterick managed the most consistent team of the sixties and if WBA hadn't somehow took the 68 FA Cup Final our decade would have looked really well balanced.
I lived and breathed as a fan what Howard did and what a ride it was. However 11 against 11 the second Champions that Catterick built for me edge out the Howard boys. Interesting debate but the press did a job on Harry whose health brought his reign to a sad end. All started by a sad week in 1971, it was really down hill from there.
I would argue that outside of Evertonians, both Harry and Howard are underrated as managers by the wider footballing public.Two great managers, different but great nonetheless……
trueCatterick built two title winning teams in an era when there was a number of top teams vying for the title. City, United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Derby.
short version; also trueMy dad said the 70 title winning side played better football than the 85 team (that is some compliment).
True-ish...up to a point.However Catterick’s reign is tarnished by the selling of Alan Ball,
That side wasn't broken up.Culminating in the break up of a great side
Also true.On the other hand, we weren’t known as the Mersey millionaires when Kendall took over. He built a title winning team on a relative pittance and won our only European trophy. For that, I’d give it to Kendall. Even though for me, his reputation was also tarnished by going to Bilbao (hardly a heavyweight of Spanish football) when we were the best team in England. I’m sure he had doubts at the end of his managerial career over that decision.
HK to Bilbao is baffling to this day - hard to believe there isn't some story behind this, but afaik he always described it in humdrum terms. New challenges, European ban, Bilbao a grand old club etc.Catterick built two title winning teams in an era when there was a number of top teams vying for the title. City, United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Derby. My dad said the 70 title winning side played better football than the 85 team (that is some compliment). However Catterick’s reign is tarnished by the selling of Alan Ball, which culminated in the break up of that great side.
On the other hand, we weren’t known as the Mersey millionaires when Kendall took over. He built a title winning team on a relative pittance and won our only European trophy. For that, I’d give it to Kendall. Even though for me, his reputation was also tarnished by going to Bilbao (hardly a heavyweight of Spanish football) when we were the best team in England. I’m sure he had doubts at the end of his managerial career over that decision.