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Oh, Frank is well in there too...My god with regards to the worst Everton manager poll, i think i'll leave that job to someone else!It's 50/50 between Mike Walker and Rafael Benitez there.
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Oh, Frank is well in there too...My god with regards to the worst Everton manager poll, i think i'll leave that job to someone else!It's 50/50 between Mike Walker and Rafael Benitez there.
I think that's harsh. I see it more as 69/70 was the culmination of a young team who had come close in previous seasons, going one better and winning the league in style. You've got to remember that this was the second great team Catterick produced, replacing the likes of Vernon and Young from the early-mid 60s with lots of home grown talent. We should have won the cup in 68 and by all accounts the football from 67-70 was as good as anything we've ever played.
It's certainly disappointing how it panned out after 1970, however 2 different results in March 1971 against the RS and panathanikos and things could have panned out so differently. Small margins.
HK had 3 spells with us, one great, the other two disastrous - The Catt was burnt out by 1971 - on paper on trophies HK wins it ....But that's sport. Sport is about fine margins. I don't think it remotely harsh to say that the 1970 side was not as great as the 1980s side. It won far less. Greatness is defined by achievement. The "what ifs" for the 1970 side also apply to the 1980s side. What if they had won the double in 1986 - which was eminently achievable but for injuries and Gary Lineker's boots falling apart? What if they had been allowed to take part in the European Cup?
In the final analysis, the great side of 1970 had a number of "what ifs". But the great side of the 1980s had its own - as well as a groaning trophy cabinet. Therein lies the difference.
"Best" is definitely debatable and arguable either way. It's a subjective judgement based on preference. Either choice is valid. "Greater" is less debatable as it can be measured in achievements. I'm just pleased we had two superb sides in the television age, and a little sad that we have been rationed to just those two...HK had 3 spells with us, one great, the other two disastrous - The Catt was burnt out by 1971 - on paper on trophies HK wins it ....
Best team IMO was the 1970s team, different era, but so entertaining with only 3 midfielders & one no 9... plus harder teams to beat back then ...
Gary Lineker left his boots behind - Sharpy stated it was nonsense as he & other players also missed sitters that would have given us the league title ...But that's sport. Sport is about fine margins. I don't think it remotely harsh to say that the 1970 side was not as great as the 1980s side. It won far less. Greatness is defined by achievement. The "what ifs" for the 1970 side also apply to the 1980s side. What if they had won the double in 1986 - which was eminently achievable but for injuries and Gary Lineker's boots falling apart? What if they had been allowed to take part in the European Cup?
In the final analysis, the great side of 1970 had a number of "what ifs". But the great side of the 1980s had its own - as well as a groaning trophy cabinet. Therein lies the difference.
The Catt banned the TV cameras .... we were hardly on TV in that era ...."Best" is definitely debatable and arguable either way. It's a subjective judgement based on preference. Either choice is valid. "Greater" is less debatable as it can be measured in achievements. I'm just pleased we had two superb sides in the television age, and a little sad that we have been rationed to just those two...
I wish we were banned from the TV for the majority of the last 20 years. But that's another matter.The Catt banned the TV cameras .... we were hardly on TV in that era ....
But that's sport. Sport is about fine margins. I don't think it remotely harsh to say that the 1970 side was not as great as the 1980s side. It won far less. Greatness is defined by achievement. The "what ifs" for the 1970 side also apply to the 1980s side. What if they had won the double in 1986 - which was eminently achievable but for injuries and Gary Lineker's boots falling apart? What if they had been allowed to take part in the European Cup?
In the final analysis, the great side of 1970 had a number of "what ifs". But the great side of the 1980s had its own - as well as a groaning trophy cabinet. Therein lies the difference.
There was a story going round that Kendall was an 'In' for the Barca job which is why Lineker was sold there.HK to Bilbao is baffling to this day - hard to believe there isn't some story behind this, but afaik he always described it in humdrum terms. New challenges, European ban, Bilbao a grand old club etc.
What is not hard to understand is that EFC off the pitch have been bad for decades, and HK built that side out of thin air and totally against expectation. So it is quite believable that he had a fk this am oot moment.
Blame the neighbours for that mate. They got us all kicked out of europe and that apparently was the reason behind Howard's departure.Catterick gave his all for us, Kendall moved for what thought we're greener Pasteur's (given the circumstances at the time but still left)
That's fair enough.I said I thought you were harsh because you called the 1970 side one season wonders, not because I think they were better than the mid-80s side. Fact is they were not one season wonders, for the reasons noted in my post - 1970 was the culmination of 3-4 years of consistent, brilliant football at a time when we were up against some of the toughest competition you will see in any era.
The sad truth here is that both myself and yourself will probably be long dead, before an Everton team worthy of comparison to those two great teams emerges again!That's fair enough.
When put that way, I think it's harsh to call them one-season wonders.