Howard

[carolinablue232]

Mate, Goat reckons Nani is Turbo Gash, so you have to know who you're dealing with here

Ha all right then. Thanks. I'll mind that before engaging next time.

 

[Kurt.]

Pot, meet kettle.

How is it that bill ? Or are we not allowed to question you as you ontinually threaten to ban others who don't share your opinion and label them as you have done AF above ?

To be honest bill you are out of order.

 

[steken1]

Stop making sense, many on here won't have it.

They expect that the next top drawer keeper would come to Everton for free.

Begovic 3.25m, Krul, Vorm, Lindergaard, Guzan and loads of other all cost peanuts and are all well better than Tim Howard. People are accusing the yanks on here of nepotism or whatever because that's exactly what happens.

He's crap and has cost us majorly this season. To say he's the least of our problems is nonsense.

 

[Azzurri]

Ok Bill, you're right. Can't argue with facts.

 

[Allezfan]

I've been to an Everton match. You?

I find your post highly offensive and your tone frankly sucks. You don't like MY OPINIONS, too bad, I could give a ****.

They're not opinions though, they're facts.

 

[ijjysmith]

Very few are brilliant. Agreed hes solid. Had a good season. Saying he was gash was just wrong.

Definitely not the word i'd use to describe Tim Howard.

 

[ijjysmith]

It wuz Southall...he done ruined it for everyone.

I never had "the fear" with Martyn though, it has to be said.

I get this completely.

I get 'the fear' on a regular basis with Howard, never happened with Southall or Martyn. Happened a lot with Paul Gerrard mind.

 

[ijjysmith]

Curious what the Euros think about the current American prem keepers. What order would you rate the three of Friedel, Howard, and Guzan right now?

I wish Friedel was younger and played for us! He's a great keeper.

I'm still not sure on Guzan personally. He's done well at Villa, but quite often keepers near the bottom of the league stand out simply because they have so much to do! I remember Russel Houlte (i think that was his name) at West Brom was being touted for England when they stayed up that year. Turned out he was just sh*te.

As for Howard, meh, he's alright. Not as good as he was, and I feel we could do better.

 

[Papa Shango]

I wish Friedel was younger and played for us! He's a great keeper.

I'm still not sure on Guzan personally. He's done well at Villa, but quite often keepers near the bottom of the league stand out simply because they have so much to do! I remember Russel Houlte (i think that was his name) at West Brom was being touted for England when they stayed up that year. Turned out he was just sh*te.

As for Howard, meh, he's alright. Not as good as he was, and I feel we could do better.

Yeah same with Mike Pollitt. Jaskelainen has had a great season too, the more shots you face the better you will look.

I think thats my issue with Howard actually. We dont let too many shots near our goal generally but when we do Howard seems to either make a great save or lets them in in a poor manner. There is no middle ground with him. For a club who struggles to score goals too its always going to be a problem.

I saw a mention of good keepers costing a lot of money earlier too. Thats not really true. Keepers tend to go cheaper than other players as there is only a limited amount of opportunity for them. Obviously the top class ones cost money, I do think there are better options than Howard who wouldnt cost the earth.

 

[Allezfan]

How is it that bill ? Or are we not allowed to question you as you ontinually threaten to ban others who don't share your opinion and label them as you have done AF above ?

To be honest bill you are out of order.

Don't take him too seriously, mate.

Bill's a mod so if he honestly actually thought either of us were out of order and shouldn't post on the forum anymore he'd infract us and ban us.

Since he hasn't, it's pretty clear he's just sparring. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Allezfan]

Yep, that's what we like to see, a good bit of backbiting between ourselves.

I am not American, but I do live abroad, meaning I don't get to many games (2 in the last 2 years), but I watch every game on TV so in that sense I see more of EFC playing than most, probably. Going to the match every week, or seeing it on TV every week, doesn't make one person's opinion any more or less valid than the opinion of others IMO. It all comes down to whether you are a master tactician or analyst. None of us is, otherwise we would be employed by some top club being paid silly money each week rather than swapping insults with with other fans on a fan forum. I think some people rate themselves far too highly on here.....

It's not about football knowledge, that's not the point.

Two posts on here implied that criticisiing players make you less of a real fan.

This one.

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

And this reply.

What's least shocking is that he nailed a vast section of the "support" to a tee.

They're not about knowledge at all, they're about whether we're good fans or real supporters as opposed to merely 'supporters'.

I think it's somewhat ironic that people who don't go regularly to games, don't regularly cheer for the team, don't regularly pay money into the club's coffers etc, have decided to make a checklist about what constitutes a good or a real fan and judge the people who don't make it. Given that they would fail on a lot of people's checklists themselves.

This isn't about football opinions at all, I largely agree with both of them on Howard. It's certainly not about knowledge. This about whether posting critical words on a forum while you cheer the team in person stops you from being a real fan or a good fan.

I'd hoped that by implying that bill and skelton weren't real fans themselves, they'd realise how crappy that is and apologise for it.

But instead they just got really angry that someone dared make a checklist of what makes a real fan that they fail to pass but are happy to judge other fans who don't meet their own critera as not real in the same breadth.

Can we not agree that we're all fans and just not go down this road of doubting each others support? Because everybody won't meet one critera at some point. We'll come down to just Alan Ball being counted as an actual fan and all the rest of us as plastics.

 

[Papa Shango]

It's not about football knowledge, that's not the point.

Two posts on here implied that criticisiing players make you less of a real fan.

This one.



And this reply.



They're not about knowledge at all, they're about whether we're good fans or real supporters as opposed to merely 'supporters'.

I think it's somewhat ironic that people who don't go regularly to games, don't regularly cheer for the team, don't regularly pay money into the club's coffers etc, have decided to make a checklist about what constitutes a good or a real fan and judge the people who don't make it. Given that they would fail on a lot of people's checklists themselves.

This isn't about football opinions at all, I largely agree with both of them on Howard. It's certainly not about knowledge. This about whether posting critical words on a forum while you cheer the team in person stops you from being a real fan or a good fan.

I'd hoped that by implying that bill and skelton weren't real fans themselves, they'd realise how crappy that is and apologise for it.

But instead they just got really angry that someone dared make a checklist of what makes a real fan that they fail to pass but are happy to judge other fans who don't meet their own critera as not real in the same breadth.

Can we not agree that we're all fans and just not go down this road of doubting each others support? Because everybody won't meet one critera at some point. We'll come down to just Alan Ball being counted as an actual fan and all the rest of us as plastics.

Great post that.

 

[bignev23]

See Bill had his 6 shooter out last night. If Anybody thinks People are giving Howard grief cos he's an American they need to stop playing the race card and open there eyes.

Goalkeeper is the most important position on the field because if a goalie makes a mistake it will often lead directly to a goal, so even if he plays well for the majority of the match one slip up from him could let the opposition back into the game or going into the lead and that was the case with tim on a good few occasions last season.

He's always been a mediocre premier league goalie, pulling off some great saves at times but conceeding other softer goals thus making the majority of fans have doubts about him.

I think it says a lot that the 3 years he was at UTD for they never won the league 2003-2006, that must be as long as they have gone in the prem without winning it and it was while Howard/Carroll where there two keepers.

I think 7 years of an average goalie is enough and the next manager should replace him even if its just to freshen up the squad. I'd Go for Kasper Schmeichel or Vorm.

 

[pfim]

See Bill had his 6 shooter out last night. If Anybody thinks People are giving Howard grief cos he's an American they need to stop playing the race card and open there eyes.

To be fair to him and a few others, since I've been here there has certainly been accusations and insinuations of blind favoritism of American players by the American contingent. I don't think that's the case here, but I don't think we can ignore that it has existed and perhaps that's why some are defensive.

If you're looking for a replacement, it's going to cost more than 3 million to get someone better than Howard imo. You can bring up guys like Hart, Guzan etc but it took them years to get the number 1 shirt a their parent club. If you bring someone in on the cheap, they will be young and inexperienced, not exactly what I'd want to upgrade the 6th best team in the league. Guys like Worm, Jaskelainen, etc aren't any better than Howard. Watch these guys for more than a few matches a year, they just aren't better and make a lot of the same mistakes. People were telling me for 2 years that El Habsi was better and he had an absolute shocker of a year and cost his team a whole lot more than Howard ever has.

I would just ask for a little perspective, which I think is difficult to have when you watch Everton players for every minute of their seasons and hardly get to watch anyone else.

 

[ijjysmith]

It's not about football knowledge, that's not the point.

Two posts on here implied that criticisiing players make you less of a real fan.

This one.



And this reply.



They're not about knowledge at all, they're about whether we're good fans or real supporters as opposed to merely 'supporters'.

I think it's somewhat ironic that people who don't go regularly to games, don't regularly cheer for the team, don't regularly pay money into the club's coffers etc, have decided to make a checklist about what constitutes a good or a real fan and judge the people who don't make it. Given that they would fail on a lot of people's checklists themselves.

This isn't about football opinions at all, I largely agree with both of them on Howard. It's certainly not about knowledge. This about whether posting critical words on a forum while you cheer the team in person stops you from being a real fan or a good fan.

I'd hoped that by implying that bill and skelton weren't real fans themselves, they'd realise how crappy that is and apologise for it.

But instead they just got really angry that someone dared make a checklist of what makes a real fan that they fail to pass but are happy to judge other fans who don't meet their own critera as not real in the same breadth.

Can we not agree that we're all fans and just not go down this road of doubting each others support? Because everybody won't meet one critera at some point. We'll come down to just Alan Ball being counted as an actual fan and all the rest of us as plastics.

Well said mate.