I think playing Cleverly centrally made him look worse than he has recently. The poor lad was running all over both sides of the pitch.
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kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
I'd send all his Wigan buddies with the Manager should he be shown the door. None have, or will, take Everton forward.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Whilst i cant see the whole view of the pitch off the streams (being overseas) i think the views on McCarthy are way off the mark.
1-- He has to cover for Barry every single game in what is effectively 2 players playing in what should be one role. He makes Barry look better than he is not the other way around!
2-- If we have Cleverley alongside him then he again has to cover for someone not suited to the role, same with Barkley as they do not defend one bit.
3-- How can people comment that he isnt tactically astute to play as an anchor? We havent seen him play there...
What we need to do is this:
4-- Sign a top notch Busquets-lite (new busquets) superstar to play in DM/pivot role. We also need a playmaker or box to box player alongside them with Barkley ahead.
McCarthy would then be invaluable as our 'Nicky Butt' to come in during games when we need an extra bite. Over the course of a season he and Besic coming into the team would be a massive benefit but shouldnt be first choices for a team which aims to be top 4.
1-- He has to cover for Barry every single game in what is effectively 2 players playing in what should be one role. He makes Barry look better than he is not the other way around!
2-- If we have Cleverley alongside him then he again has to cover for someone not suited to the role, same with Barkley as they do not defend one bit.
3-- How can people comment that he isnt tactically astute to play as an anchor? We havent seen him play there...
What we need to do is this:
4-- Sign a top notch Busquets-lite (new busquets) superstar to play in DM/pivot role. We also need a playmaker or box to box player alongside them with Barkley ahead.
McCarthy would then be invaluable as our 'Nicky Butt' to come in during games when we need an extra bite. Over the course of a season he and Besic coming into the team would be a massive benefit but shouldnt be first choices for a team which aims to be top 4.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
That is indicative of poor planning, tactics and management.
You sound rather certain about that, could be any number of things. Could just as likely be that Cleverly doesn't think enough about/get as involved in the defensive side of the game like McCarthy does and they had an understanding about it before the match.
He could be a good, solid defensive mid though, but having two in the team kind of negates the point of one of them (him) being overly defensive, as he is. I'd wager that if he had two creative players in front of him to whom he has to lay the ball of he'd look much better... Instead he has GarBar, who is (relatively) immobile and old, and does essentially the same job.
Going forward though, think I've seen him attempt about 20 shots in 3 years, 19 of them didn't even look remotely dangerous or even good in any way
Comical for a professional at this level, to say the least.Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
NO, I was coming on to what you said about Cleverley in a central role and having run every where. That is what my comment referred to. IF Cleverley is not suited to be there then RM is messing up.
McCarthy is a descent premier league footballer. He will always look better playing for a lesser team where he has a free hand and can make up for his shortcomings through endeavour. I think when you put him in a more structured side then he doesn't have the freedom to do that. I don't think he is good for enough to get in a side looking for top four.
I don't think he had a lot of options there. Cleverly, for all intents and purposes, is meant to be a central midfielder. What he isn't though is a Barry replacement. I wouldn't expect Martinez to put him in and expect him to do Barry's job. I don't think McCarthy did either and that is why he had to do so much running.
There's an argument for whether he should have picked Besic instead to partner McCarthy.
I don't want to really get into a Martinez conversation, or at least not in this thread.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Certainly not so let us leave it at that.
ProZ
Player Valuation: £40m
Horse crap.
For some reason, he seems unnaturally good at half volleying the ball. Full volleys? Useless. On the deck? Worse. Half volleys? Creams them every time.He could be a good, solid defensive mid though, but having two in the team kind of negates the point of one of them (him) being overly defensive, as he is. I'd wager that if he had two creative players in front of him to whom he has to lay the ball of he'd look much better... Instead he has GarBar, who is (relatively) immobile and old, and does essentially the same job.
Going forward though, think I've seen him attempt about 20 shots in 3 years, 19 of them didn't even look remotely dangerous or even good in any way
If we could just get the centre halves to slowly chip the ball to him he might be able to play some cracking through balls.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
Don't think he's performing any worse than anyone else. Still a decent player, hindered by bad tactics.
WTF
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