John Stones transfer saga

[SteRobbo84]

It's irrelevant whether Stones "wants to go" or not. He is tied-in to a 4-yr contract.

LFC had same issue with Sterling and they played it right ie Sterling aint leaving unless we get a massive offer. We need to do the same (PS £30m - £35m is not "massive" in this context)

I sort of see where you're coming from but if he wants to go then what's the point of keeping an unhappy player?

Having said that, I've neither seen nor heard anything to suggest he wants out apart from journos desperate to fill column inches.

 

[Khalekan]

I think yourself and quite a few other people on this forum need to understand what 'tapping up' is because there has been no evidence of 'tapping up' in this whole saga. Tapping up is when one team approaches a player without the knowledge or permission of that player's current team.

Chelsea as far as we and everyone else is aware have not done this. Making comments in the media is not tapping up, whether it be Mourinho, Terry or Ferdinand.

If tapping up had been going on then you can rest assured Everton would have reported it.

True.

And this sorry saga shows up how worthless the "tapping up" rules are because Chelsea F.C. have, without infringing said rules, let the player know they are interested in what has been a pretty blatant, yet perfectly legal attempt to turn John's head.

 

[Khalekan]

I sort of see where you're coming from but if he wants to go then what's the point of keeping an unhappy player?

No point whatsoever.

The only thing a contract is good for is the fact a team can at least extract a fat cheque from any team the player wants to join.

But unhappy players breed discontent at a club.

 

[toffeestillidie]

Rooney & Fellaini - 2 players who handed in transfer requests to leave.

Stones hasn't and likely won't.

Man Utd wanted Baines - the club held on to him.

Ratcliffe is talking through his negative backside, as per usual.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, I thought Manchester United had bid for Fellaini the previous season and we turned them down. And at 28 million, most Evertonians were more than comfortable with letting him go. I think pretty much everyone thinks Stones is greatly undervalued at 30 million, a few years younger and he doesn't pick up yellow cards 2 out of every 3 games.

 

[toffeestillidie]

No point whatsoever.

The only thing a contract is good for is the fact a team can at least extract a fat cheque from any team the player wants to join.

But unhappy players breed discontent at a club.

Several sources said that Baines had asked to leave (don't know if he put in a formal transfer request), think even Stubbsy had said it. We held on to Baines and I'm very glad we did.

 

[bluerobert]

Before the Villarreal game? the players drive in themselves don't they?
You're right about Coleman and Deulo though but I think everyone knows they have a solid friendship.

Have you been right about other things mate? ive been off this for a while so havent seen ur previous posts!

No it's not uncommon for players to have a driver take them in. I don't know if I've been right or wrong most of the time to be honest. I think the sort of stuff I get told isn't the sort of things that will ever be confirmed by the club. It's more just information from the players. As I've said mate, I'm not on here claiming the info is 100% accurate. It's just info I've been told by a friend that I'm passing on

 

[Khalekan]

Several sources said that Baines had asked to leave (don't know if he put in a formal transfer request), think even Stubbsy had said it. We held on to Baines and I'm very glad we did.

well we don't know if that is true or not.

Nor will we ever know.

What we know for certain is the reaction of Lescott when he was told he wasn't going, in that infamous season opener v Arsenal a few years ago.

Mind you, I don't think Stones is the type of character to actively seek his release by playing like he didn't give a toss.

 

[StephenGOT]

No it's not uncommon for players to have a driver take them in. I don't know if I've been right or wrong most of the time to be honest. I think the sort of stuff I get told isn't the sort of things that will ever be confirmed by the club. It's more just information from the players. As I've said mate, I'm not on here claiming the info is 100% accurate. It's just info I've been told by a friend that I'm passing on

Okay pal.
Stones drove in against Villarreal though. 100%. It's interesting about majority of the players wanting Martinez out though.

 

[LinekersLegs]

http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-would-be-daft-to-dismiss-chelsea?CMP=twt_gu

Assuming the 21-year-old is minded to make a move at this stage of his career, Chelsea appear willing to pay £30m or more for his services. That is the least Everton would demand, and given the player’s age, potential, pedigree and the general shortage of capable central defenders around at the moment that is what Stones is worth. So we are not talking about a squad signing here, someone to cover for injuries or raise the quota of English players at the Stamford Bridge. Not even Chelsea would pay that sort of money for a fringe player, which is what Ferdinand seems to imagine may happen.

Err, apart from the 27m they spent on Cuadrado who has barely been seen since....

.Chelsea have the tightest, meanest, best-organised defence in the country, whereas United are still a bit all over the place. It may be easier for Stones to displace Jones or Smalling, say, at United, than Terry or Gary Cahill at Chelsea but if you are genuinely ambitious which path would you choose? Chelsea are the Premier League champions and one of the few English clubs that can usually be relied upon to make progress in the Champions League, and they were the first to identify Stones as a target. Everton might have been miffed but Stones could only be flattered.

They were the first to make a bid but other clubs apparently enquired, they just respected Everton's statement that he wasn't for sale at this time.

The rest of the article seems to be a "Chelsea are better than United" speil in response to Rio Ferdinand which seems a little odd.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think yourself and quite a few other people on this forum need to understand what 'tapping up' is because there has been no evidence of 'tapping up' in this whole saga. Tapping up is when one team approaches a player without the knowledge or permission of that player's current team.

Chelsea as far as we and everyone else is aware have not done this. Making comments in the media is not tapping up, whether it be Mourinho, Terry or Ferdinand.

If tapping up had been going on then you can rest assured Everton would have reported it.

They get round it by just approaching the player's agent instead.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Several sources said that Baines had asked to leave (don't know if he put in a formal transfer request), think even Stubbsy had said it. We held on to Baines and I'm very glad we did.

I thought Baines had said, if we want to sell him he will go, otherwise he wants to stay..

 

[bluerobert]

Okay pal.
Stones drove in against Villarreal though. 100%. It's interesting about majority of the players wanting Martinez out though.

Again as some have said im skeptical about the amount of players he said are unhappy but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine some of the senior players are unhappy at the amount of goals we conceded last year and it would explain why Distin was just dropped. I didn't go the game myself mate so if you say you saw Stones drive in I believe you

 

[Tubey]

I thought Baines had said, if we want to sell him he will go, otherwise he wants to stay..

Indeed but chinese whispers get added credence on here, especially if they can be found on the font of all knowledge known as Twitter too.

 

[Gotagotmug]

http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-would-be-daft-to-dismiss-chelsea?CMP=twt_gu

Err, apart from the 27m they spent on Cuadrado who has barely been seen since....


They were the first to make a bid but other clubs apparently enquired, they just respected Everton's statement that he wasn't for sale at this time.

The rest of the article seems to be a "Chelsea are better than United" speil in response to Rio Ferdinand which seems a little odd.

Written by Paul Wilson, who I don't really rate. Always been a bit sarky about us and that piece, as you said, felt like an attack on Rio.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Written by Paul Wilson, who I don't really rate. Always been a bit sarky about us and that piece, as you said, felt like an attack on Rio.

Quite an interesting back and forth between him and an Evertonian in the comments section
]Bluedylan Any chance any journalist is going to put Everton's perspective....you know, just as a novelty?
paul Wilson Here you go...http://gu.com/p/4an95/stw

Bluedylan Appreciate the direct response. I read that when it was published. So you're suggesting that the Everton perspective is simply 'you don't have any choice in the matter', which seems to sum up the article you linked. Howabout something to the tune of 'why don't Everton just reject the bids this summer and keep the player who is under a 4 year contract, given that his value will remain just as high next year or quite possibly increase?'

Paul Wilson Well they still might. But Chelsea are thought to be willing to pay £30m or so, someone close to the player is briefing that he is in favour of the move, and Everton's record in keeping their best players over the last few years has not been great. Let's just see what happens, bearing in mind what happened when Liverpool tried hanging on to Raheem Sterling. Theoretically Everton have a choice in the matter, in practice it is never that simple, though from an EFC point of view it is encouraging that the transfer window is ticking by and Chelsea seem to be going a bit quiet on the subject.