John Stones transfer saga

[TheFinnFan]

Why people talk like £30m would be significantly situation changing sum cause it's not.

This is nothing else than rags persistantly trying to change things.

 

[oldblue]

http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-would-be-daft-to-dismiss-chelsea?CMP=twt_gu

Err, apart from the 27m they spent on Cuadrado who has barely been seen since....


They were the first to make a bid but other clubs apparently enquired, they just respected Everton's statement that he wasn't for sale at this time.

The rest of the article seems to be a "Chelsea are better than United" speil in response to Rio Ferdinand which seems a little odd.

That Cuadrado thing has made we think maybe all the journos are overlooking something. maybe Mourinho doesn't see a place for Stones in the way they are all insisting. His defences are typically fairly no-nonsense and solid. maybe he is scared of Stones going to a rival and making a real difference. There was always talk that Liverpool in the time they were an ok team bought out talent they had little use for just to stop them going elsewhere. Would explain the bid not being anywhere near the valuation you would expect if he saw him as Terry's replacement. Hopefully Stones is a sound enough lad to see through that kind of nonsense and stay somewhere were his role and his future are clear.

 

[By god I'm blue]

It's boring now.

I appreciate the club made a statement last week saying they had rejected Chelsea's offer and that he was not for sale, but all of this must be unsettling the player.

If it is the case, a final "not for sale this window and that is the end of the matter" is long overdue and our fans can get back to moaning about how pants Kone is.

Edit - Unless this is the Rooney and Arteta situation all over again and they leave it until as late as possible and watch the money disappear into a puff of smoke!

 

[royalbalou]

[QUOTE="
Bluedylan Appreciate the direct response. I read that when it was published. So you're suggesting that the Everton perspective is simply 'you don't have any choice in the matter', which seems to sum up the article you linked. Howabout something to the tune of 'why don't Everton just reject the bids this summer and keep the player who is under a 4 year contract, given that his value will remain just as high next year or quite possibly increase?'

Paul Wilson Well they still might. But Chelsea are thought to be willing to pay £30m or so, someone close to the player is briefing that he is in favour of the move, and Everton's record in keeping their best players over the last few years has not been great. Let's just see what happens, bearing in mind what happened when Liverpool tried hanging on to Raheem Sterling. Theoretically Everton have a choice in the matter, in practice it is never that simple, though from an EFC point of view it is encouraging that the transfer window is ticking by and Chelsea seem to be going a bit quiet on the subject.[/QUOTE]

This is the bit that winds me up...our record is about the same as most other clubs...much better than others(Bale/Sterling/Ronaldo/Van Persie)

 

[Gotagotmug]

Quite an interesting back and forth between him and an Evertonian in the comments section
]Bluedylan Any chance any journalist is going to put Everton's perspective....you know, just as a novelty?
paul Wilson Here you go...http://gu.com/p/4an95/stw

Bluedylan Appreciate the direct response. I read that when it was published. So you're suggesting that the Everton perspective is simply 'you don't have any choice in the matter', which seems to sum up the article you linked. Howabout something to the tune of 'why don't Everton just reject the bids this summer and keep the player who is under a 4 year contract, given that his value will remain just as high next year or quite possibly increase?'

Paul Wilson Well they still might. But Chelsea are thought to be willing to pay £30m or so, someone close to the player is briefing that he is in favour of the move, and Everton's record in keeping their best players over the last few years has not been great. Let's just see what happens, bearing in mind what happened when Liverpool tried hanging on to Raheem Sterling. Theoretically Everton have a choice in the matter, in practice it is never that simple, though from an EFC point of view it is encouraging that the transfer window is ticking by and Chelsea seem to be going a bit quiet on the subject.

That's very interesting in the comment about someone being close to the player briefing the press. That would imply an agent and if so, then it can be argued he's just after a payday. Or - if I want to get the tin-foil hat on - it's someone not that close to Stones but it helps keep the narrative of the summer saga going.

If you look at the flow of the story - the Kenwright meeting last week, followed by the Terry interview - I'm inclined to think that Kenwright has told Chelsea he's not for sale this summer and they've gone back to using their players to keep the story rolling. Jose's comments about no third bid is just another way to try and force Stones into a transfer request and oh look, we're back to where we began.

Chelsea have acted awfully and no amount of "Don't talk about other players" statements from Jose can disguise that. The media have a new english wonderkid to sell and I don't see this merry-go-round stopping until he's gone, whenever that may be.

 

[Carlito]

I was quite confident that he'd stay after the first week or so, when Chelsea showed how reluctant they are to spend truly big money on him.

However, it feels almost inevitable now, with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand trying to broker deals through the press, and Everton seemingly not having the money to make much needed additions with just three days to go before the season starts.

Be arsed with another four weeks of this.

 

[LinekersLegs]

That Cuadrado thing has made we think maybe all the journos are overlooking something. maybe Mourinho doesn't see a place for Stones in the way they are all insisting. His defences are typically fairly no-nonsense and solid. maybe he is scared of Stones going to a rival and making a real difference. There was always talk that Liverpool in the time they were an ok team bought out talent they had little use for just to stop them going elsewhere. Would explain the bid not being anywhere near the valuation you would expect if he saw him as Terry's replacement. Hopefully Stones is a sound enough lad to see through that kind of nonsense and stay somewhere were his role and his future are clear.

One thing I'm a bit curious about is that Cahill rarely shifts to LCB, in all the games I've seen him play it is always his partner that does that even if they are far less experienced than him (Smalling, Jones, Zouma for instance).

Either Mourinho is planning a Stones/Zouma partnership on Terry's retirement (which seems an unusual trust in youth for Jose) a new left sided CB or Stones is going to have to learn to shift over to the left to play with Cahill if he moves there.

Not saying it isn't something he can't learn but haven't seem him do it yet - all Everton games have been at RCB (Jags, Distin, Alcaraz as his left partners), as have all the England youth games I've seen (Keane and Gibson iirc). Even during preseason when partnered with Browning it was the latter that played LCB despite also being right footed and less experienced than John.

 

[Khalekan]

One thing for sure......at long last I see a virtue to the "transfer window".

IF he is still here at the deadline hour then that is that for at least four or five months and more likely until this time next year.

Otherwise the speculation would have just rumbled on an on well into the season.

 

[longers]

Im happy its looking more like he will stay but at the same time in the back of my mind i'll always be thinking 'he's probably gutted the chelsea move didn't happen'... it's like that feeling you get when you're with a bird whose clearly out of your league, she may be content but you know deep down she's wanting an upgrade lol.

 

[LinekersLegs]

That's very interesting in the comment about someone being close to the player briefing the press. That would imply an agent and if so, then it can be argued he's just after a payday. Or - if I want to get the tin-foil hat on - it's someone not that close to Stones but it helps keep the narrative of the summer saga going.

If you look at the flow of the story - the Kenwright meeting last week, followed by the Terry interview - I'm inclined to think that Kenwright has told Chelsea he's not for sale this summer and they've gone back to using their players to keep the story rolling. Jose's comments about no third bid is just another way to try and force Stones into a transfer request and oh look, we're back to where we began.

Chelsea have acted awfully and no amount of "Don't talk about other players" statements from Jose can disguise that. The media have a new english wonderkid to sell and I don't see this merry-go-round stopping until he's gone, whenever that may be.

I wondered who that "source close to the player" was as well! The whole process and public discussion has been very odd, usually get their business done quickly and quietly which has not been the case this time. You'd have expected the first bid much earlier in the window and, given the clubs previous relationship, behind closed doors. As you say can't help but feel the most logical explanation is we genuinely said not for sale but guess we'll find out!

 

[toffeestillidie]

Im happy its looking more like he will stay but at the same time in the back of my mind i'll always be thinking 'he's probably gutted the chelsea move didn't happen'... it's like that feeling you get when you're with a bird whose clearly out of your league, she may be content but you know deep down she's wanting an upgrade lol.

It's not as if he's signed for life. If his trajectory continues, he'll play Champions League, if not with us than for someone else.

But to stay on that trajectory, he needs game time and first team experience, and this is the best place for him to get it.

 

[oldblue]

One thing I'm a bit curious about is that Cahill rarely shifts to LCB, in all the games I've seen him play it is always his partner that does that even if they are far less experienced than him (Smalling, Jones, Zouma for instance).

Either Mourinho is planning a Stones/Zouma partnership on Terry's retirement (which seems an unusual trust in youth for Jose) a new left sided CB or Stones is going to have to learn to shift over to the left to play with Cahill if he moves there.

Not saying it isn't something he can't learn but haven't seem him do it yet - all Everton games have been at RCB (Jags, Distin, Alcaraz as his left partners), as have all the England youth games I've seen (Keane and Gibson iirc). Even during preseason when partnered with Browning it was the latter that played LCB despite also being right footed and less experienced than John.

i haven't seen him go anywhere and lay foundations for the future ahead of immediate glory so you are right, either he is looking at a player out of position or Stones would be there making up the numbers. must have just assumed we were desperate. misread the situation. back in his box.

 

[EFC78]

Quite an interesting back and forth between him and an Evertonian in the comments section
]Bluedylan Any chance any journalist is going to put Everton's perspective....you know, just as a novelty?
paul Wilson Here you go...http://gu.com/p/4an95/stw

Bluedylan Appreciate the direct response. I read that when it was published. So you're suggesting that the Everton perspective is simply 'you don't have any choice in the matter', which seems to sum up the article you linked. Howabout something to the tune of 'why don't Everton just reject the bids this summer and keep the player who is under a 4 year contract, given that his value will remain just as high next year or quite possibly increase?'

Paul Wilson Well they still might. But Chelsea are thought to be willing to pay £30m or so, someone close to the player is briefing that he is in favour of the move, and Everton's record in keeping their best players over the last few years has not been great. Let's just see what happens, bearing in mind what happened when Liverpool tried hanging on to Raheem Sterling. Theoretically Everton have a choice in the matter, in practice it is never that simple, though from an EFC point of view it is encouraging that the transfer window is ticking by and Chelsea seem to be going a bit quiet on the subject.

Translated: We expect that John Stones would be interested in a move to the Champions to work with one of the best Managers in World Football, increase his wage, and have a chance of winning titles, but we haven't heard anything from the player as he's been silent on the whole thing. Therefore we are going to make up that Stones wants to go to appease our audience. Everton also sold Rooney 10 years ago, and Fellaini to Man United not too long ago, but we are going to ignore the fact that Baines, Coleman and Jagielka have all stayed despite being strongly linked away.

Personally, i've got no idea if he is going to go or not, but I would expect that any discussions Stones has had will have been with close family members, his agent, Martinez/Kenwright, and maybe a couple of players in our side that he looks up to like Jagielka. Out of all of those I can only see his agent leaking anything. And we don't even know if he is wanting to go. He could just as easily have decided to concentrate on starting every game next season for Everton to get a starting place at the Euro's and then see what happens.

 

[Khalekan]

Translated: We expect that John Stones would be interested in a move to the Champions to work with one of the best Managers in World Football, increase his wage, and have a chance of winning titles, but we haven't heard anything from the player as he's been silent on the whole thing. Therefore we are going to make up that Stones wants to go to appease our audience. Everton also sold Rooney 10 years ago, and Fellaini to Man United not too long ago, but we are going to ignore the fact that Baines, Coleman and Jagielka have all stayed despite being strongly linked away.

Personally, i've got no idea if he is going to go or not, but I would expect that any discussions Stones has had will have been with close family members, his agent, Martinez/Kenwright, and maybe a couple of players in our side that he looks up to like Jagielka. Out of all of those I can only see his agent leaking anything. And we don't even know if he is wanting to go. He could just as easily have decided to concentrate on starting every game next season for Everton to get a starting place at the Euro's and then see what happens.

That seems an eminently sensible approach for Stones to take.

 

[Tchnique]

That seems an eminently sensible approach for Stones to take.

Media doesn't like that.