2017/18 Jonjoe Kenny

[EFCPaul]

I think he's had a more than decent first season as a member of the senior squad. He gives everything, has a good cross on him and clearly has the right mentality. Just needs to get the game time to learn the nuances.

Coleman didn't look as good a defender as Kenny does now when he broke through, so much so that Moyes played him as a winger instead. Just manage him properly (get rid of the Count of Monte Bistro to start with) and he'll become a bloody good player for my money.

 

[marcus]

The kid has great attitude & good ability...

Tigerish mentality & gritty performances spring to mind...

 

[Professor Toffee]

He is Tony Hibbert

 

[SiEdmo]

He is Tony Hibbert

got a lot more too him than that mate,

the run earlier in the season that ended up with a rooney goal coming from deep (his 2nd against west ham) was more Seamus than Tony

 

[toffee-L]

I think he's had a more than decent first season as a member of the senior squad. He gives everything, has a good cross on him and clearly has the right mentality. Just needs to get the game time to learn the nuances.

Coleman didn't look as good a defender as Kenny does now when he broke through, so much so that Moyes played him as a winger instead. Just manage him properly (get rid of the Count of Monte Bistro to start with) and he'll become a bloody good player for my money.

Yet to see this to be honest. Defending is obviously what he's most accomplished at, he's got the technical make up of a centre back in my view but because he weighs about the same as a bag of rice he obviously can't play there. So I feel sorry for him in that regard. I think he's done enough this season to warrant staying around the squad for another year but I'd much rather loan him to a championship team so we can assess over a season if he can compete. The Coleman statement is correct, he really did struggle with the defensive side of his game when he first broke into the team but it was obvious he had a type of attacking flair and natural pace that would see him go far. This is where I think Kenny falls short, and it remains to be seen if he can overcome this.

 

[Coggy]

Yet to see this to be honest. Defending is obviously what he's most accomplished at, he's got the technical make up of a centre back in my view but because he weighs about the same as a bag of rice he obviously can't play there. So I feel sorry for him in that regard. I think he's done enough this season to warrant staying around the squad for another year but I'd much rather loan him to a championship team so we can assess over a season if he can compete. The Coleman statement is correct, he really did struggle with the defensive side of his game when he first broke into the team but it was obvious he had a type of attacking flair and natural pace that would see him go far. This is where I think Kenny falls short, and it remains to be seen if he can overcome this.

Why on earth would you loan him when he is the only cover for Seamus other than Martina !

 

[toffee-L]

Why on earth would you loan him when he is the only cover for Seamus other than Martina !

Because you either buy somebody else or you keep Martina as cover. Kenny hasn't been good enough this season and needs regular game time if he hopes to progress. He isn't good enough to mount a challenge to Coleman's position yet and when Coleman is out we lose a huge attacking presence. If Kenny is supposed to be the back up then he needs to improve and he won't do that by picking splinters out of his arse. Hence the loan.

 

[Zatara]

Because you either buy somebody else or you keep Martina as cover. Kenny hasn't been good enough this season and needs regular game time if he hopes to progress. He isn't good enough to mount a challenge to Coleman's position yet and when Coleman is out we lose a huge attacking presence. If Kenny is supposed to be the back up then he needs to improve and he won't do that by picking splinters out of his arse. Hence the loan.

Most people were impressed by his performances...and he got motm in his last game for England u21s.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

He is Tony Hibbert

With bells on

 

[toffee-L]

Most people were impressed by his performances...and he got motm in his last game for England u21s.

Good for him, but I place zero stock in age group football. Royston Drenthe is probably my favourite example of this, literally looked like the Dutch version of Messi in the 2007 European U21 Championships. There are few lessons to be learned from these competitions. We only learn about a players true quality, application and character when they step up to senior football and Kenny hasn't proved what he can do this season. I would like to see Kenny have a full season of senior football under his belt on loan as he's obviously not going to be first choice here.

 

[Zatara]

Good for him, but I place zero stock in age group football. Royston Drenthe is probably my favourite example of this, literally looked like the Dutch version of Messi in the 2007 European U21 Championships. There are few lessons to be learned from these competitions. We only learn about a players true quality, application and character when they step up to senior football and Kenny hasn't proved what he can do this season. I would like to see Kenny have a full season of senior football under his belt on loan as he's obviously not going to be first choice here.

Most posters were impressed by Kenny. Additionally, a lot of people like to quote whoscored as a guideline for performances...he has an average rating when starting for Everton at right back of 6.96 (Coleman is 7.17 and Holgate is 6.51). I personally feel that this is a relatively fair assessment.

I have no idea why you would seek to weaken the squad by loaning out a right back when every team needs 2 players for each position. If you would seek to buy a player to sit as substitute then this seems unnecessary and if you would loan someone then its highly unlikely they would add more than Kenny...in addition, he will continue to learn and improve with experience of being around the squad.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Good for him, but I place zero stock in age group football. Royston Drenthe is probably my favourite example of this, literally looked like the Dutch version of Messi in the 2007 European U21 Championships. There are few lessons to be learned from these competitions. We only learn about a players true quality, application and character when they step up to senior football and Kenny hasn't proved what he can do this season. I would like to see Kenny have a full season of senior football under his belt on loan as he's obviously not going to be first choice here.

I see your point. But loans at this stage in their careers do not always work. People refer to Colemans as a good example of one that did work out. But at the moment I liken Kenny's situation to that of Galloway and Garbutt.

Both those players had spells in the first team where they showed they weren't out of place at that level without particularly excelling. Both were prob 3rd choice LBs for us and, at the time first choice for England U21s.

It was decided to send them out on loan to get games under their belt. In bith cases the loans were disastrous and , as it happens, injuries meant they would have been playing had they stayed at Everton. Ironically thats how Galloway was given his chance.

Their development could have turned out very different had they not gone on loan. As it stands, both are destroyed and may not even make a living out of the game once their contracts expire.

At that age, 19/21 its a very thin line between success and failure. I'm all for getting players out on loan when they're a bit younger to get experience of open age football. But thereafter we should take cobtrol of the development ourselves. With the best ones anyway.

You only need to look at the Chelsea model to see that continual loans dont work.

 

[Pabbers]

Because you either buy somebody else or you keep Martina as cover. Kenny hasn't been good enough this season and needs regular game time if he hopes to progress. He isn't good enough to mount a challenge to Coleman's position yet and when Coleman is out we lose a huge attacking presence. If Kenny is supposed to be the back up then he needs to improve and he won't do that by picking splinters out of his arse. Hence the loan.

Jesus, can we not just relax with our young lads and give them a break.

Kenny was very good for us, in a terrible season. Lets have some perspective!!!

 

[Raino85]

Jesus, can we not just relax with our young lads and give them a break.

Kenny was very good for us, in a terrible season. Lets have some perspective!!!

NO WE CANT MATE! HE NEEDS TO BE BETTER THAN CAFU, COLEMAN & JON FLANAGAN ALL WITHIN HIS FIRST 20 GAMES OF HIS EVERTON CAREER OTHERWISE HE ISNT GOOD ENOUGH

 

[Pabbers]

NO WE CANT MATE! HE NEEDS TO BE BETTER THAN CAFU, COLEMAN & JON FLANAGAN ALL WITHIN HIS FIRST 20 GAMES OF HIS EVERTON CAREER OTHERWISE HE ISNT GOOD ENOUGH

Madness aint it, ive said it before but some talk like we have only watched utter superstars.