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2018/19 Jordan Pickford

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Lanolin said:
They all are. Seriously, all of them.

We obviously notice our fans more because we're on here and reading Everton twitter etc, but all fanbases have the same elements as ours do. I lived in North London for years, my local pub was a proper Arsenal place so I used to talk to their fans before and after games most weeks and it was exactly the same as talking to our fans. They'd be going on about how whichever keeper they were playing at the time was terrible, Mertesacker was the slowest player they'd ever seen, Monreal was an embarrassment, Ozil was lazy etc etc. There's nothing weird about our fans, apart from the fact some of them want to make out like it's our fault we're rubbish.
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I'm sure they are mate - like, I know they are as well. Look at United and Pogba as well.

I just don't think as many fans are so unwilling - or seemingly unwilling - to admit that they constantly have the blinkers on.

I rate Gylfi, but I won't say he didn't have a bad performance when he does play badly. I'll just defend him when he gets the, what I think, unfair sweeping criticism that seems to have become the norm.

And same goes for Pickford. He's made mistakes this season, no doubt, but he's an excellent young goalkeeper with massive potential. Whether he meets it we don't know.

But I genuinely saw a fan on Twitter yesterday say we shouldn't be giving Pickford a new deal because "he isn't a top class goalkeeper", like we're a top class team.

He was our best player last season which sums up how bad we were - our goalkeeper had so much to do.

Perfectly justifiable criticism is fine and he needs to learn from his mistakes this season, but it seems just because he had a good World Cup (and it was brilliant) a section of our fans - which is so strange - seem to have it in for him. Like they need to knock him down again. That's weird.
 
Lanolin said:
They do though. I responded to somebody just yesterday who said 'it's not his fault the defence is rubbish' as if he was a completely separate entity. It's not always in so many words though, there are lots of comments after games where people are saying there was nothing he could do, he was exposed etc. It's like people are happy to blame a defender for being fractionally late closing someone down 30 yards out, but not happy to say a keeper could be doing better with the shot.

I've said before, it's not that he should be blamed, simply that he seems to get a free pass from many no matter what happens. Beaten by a free kick from 30 yards? Bloke put it in a postage stamp what can he do. Beaten by a header from a corner? Poor marking. Shot from inside the box? Exposed by the defence. Outside the box? Shouldn't have been allowed to get a shot away. He's not been majorly at fault for a lot of goals, but nor has he been responsible for us winning many points. In short, he's just been OK, and yet it seems some players get a lot of stick for being OK (Gana, Sigurdsson etc) and others don't (Pickford, Tosun etc). Seems weird to me, that's all.
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Again, not true. He was correctly criticised on here for taking the step to his right for the Wolves free kick, and the third West Ham goal which he should’ve got down to. But people literally blame him for not “keeping clean sheets”, when it’s football and you have a defence for a reason. Often the difference between keeping a clean sheet and not keeping one could be a goal like Lacazette’s last week, how on earth can you put that on the keeper for conceding? Clean sheets are a team effort, the goalkeeper can’t be the entire defence on his own.
 
Lanolin said:
They do though. I responded to somebody just yesterday who said 'it's not his fault the defence is rubbish' as if he was a completely separate entity. It's not always in so many words though, there are lots of comments after games where people are saying there was nothing he could do, he was exposed etc. It's like people are happy to blame a defender for being fractionally late closing someone down 30 yards out, but not happy to say a keeper could be doing better with the shot.

I've said before, it's not that he should be blamed, simply that he seems to get a free pass from many no matter what happens. Beaten by a free kick from 30 yards? Bloke put it in a postage stamp what can he do. Beaten by a header from a corner? Poor marking. Shot from inside the box? Exposed by the defence. Outside the box? Shouldn't have been allowed to get a shot away. He's not been majorly at fault for a lot of goals, but nor has he been responsible for us winning many points. In short, he's just been OK, and yet it seems some players get a lot of stick for being OK (Gana, Sigurdsson etc) and others don't (Pickford, Tosun etc). Seems weird to me, that's all.
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I'm more than happy for people to claim that Pickford has made a mistake (West Ham for example) or that he could do better (Neves free kick). It's people who claim that him being beaten from 6 yards out is somehow him doing something wrong etc. The defence doesn't help at times though, especially last season. There is nothing wrong with criticism if it is warranted. But doing it about anything and everything for internet kudos is dead weird, not talking about you specifically.
 
Brisan123 said:
Honest truth this
Opened this thread and posted this without reading any previous posts
Would I be right in saying there are 2 trains of thought on Pickford signing a 6 year deal.
1) The club are increasing his value when we forced to sell him next summer to pay for transfers , a return to sell to buy
2) Pickford has seen and been told of big changes on the way and wants to be part of it.

I could nearly tell you what posters are in what camp
I’m in the second one , always the optimist.
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What????

1)Signing a new deal has no affect on his transfer value because he had 3 and a half years left on his current deal
2)absolute nonsense

He makes mistakes and is still learning, but his height and reach also goes against him, unless he hits the level of de gea I cant see any of the top 6 going for him.

Liverpool and chelsea needed a keeper in the summer none of them looked at pickford or schmeical. The first names on the list were oblak, allison and arizabalaga
 

havrey0123 said:
What????

1)Signing a new deal has no affect on his transfer value because he had 3 and a half years left on his current deal
2)absolute nonsense

He makes mistakes and is still learning, but his height and reach also goes against him, unless he hits the level of de gea I cant see any of the top 6 going for him.

Liverpool and chelsea needed a keeper in the summer none of them looked at pickford or schmeical. The first names on the list were oblak, allison and arizabalaga
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Interesting, you've preempted what I was going to say about point 1 with point 2.
 
havrey0123 said:
What????

1)Signing a new deal has no affect on his transfer value because he had 3 and a half years left on his current deal
2)absolute nonsense

He makes mistakes and is still learning, but his height and reach also goes against him, unless he hits the level of de gea I cant see any of the top 6 going for him.

Liverpool and chelsea needed a keeper in the summer none of them looked at pickford or schmeical. The first names on the list were oblak, allison and arizabalaga
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As if Everton would have sold Pickford to your lot
I can see you’re still upset over last nights result and the fans failure to “Welcome “ the Chelsea coach so I’ll leave it there
 

BlueToff said:
He was our best player last season which sums up how bad we were - our goalkeeper had so much to do.
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He wasnt our best player, I know he won that sham reward, but anyone with eyes saw that he struggled a lot last season. The only player to cover himself in some sort of glory was Walcott - who should have won that award.
 
Nyhus said:
He wasnt our best player, I know he won that sham reward, but anyone with eyes saw that he struggled a lot last season. The only player to cover himself in some sort of glory was Walcott - who should have won that award.
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Yeah you're right tbf. The professionals who have most likely played the game at a very high level actually know the square root of f all about it. Come on mate.
 
Parker NSNO said:
Interesting, you've preempted what I was going to say about point 1 with point 2.
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people coming up with crazy reasons instead of telling the truth.

1) a new contract wasnt needed he had nearly 4 years left on his current one and was in no danger of leaving. Despite 2 of the top 6 looking for a keeper, he was never mentioned.
2)height and arm reach arent the best, he is good in a one on one situation but that shouldnt paper over the fact he has made some errors since he has been here aswell. 3 this season
neves free kick
booted the ball out to a west ham player and they then went on to score
danny ings shot which he then had to save on to the bar.
3)distribution from a goal kick is poor and often hits it out of play.
4) theres no set transfer fee to safe guard the club if he does hit de geas level in the future.

He has basically got a wage increase for no reason, you have james mccarthy who has less then 2 years left and pickford gets offered a new contract.
 

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