2018/19 Jordan Pickford

[yakublue]

He wasnt our best player, I know he won that sham reward, but anyone with eyes saw that he struggled a lot last season. The only player to cover himself in some sort of glory was Walcott - who should have won that award.

Walcott joined in Jan and had some decent games but to give him player of the season would've been bonkers mate

 

[BlueToff]

He wasnt our best player, I know he won that sham reward, but anyone with eyes saw that he struggled a lot last season. The only player to cover himself in some sort of glory was Walcott - who should have won that award.

He clearly was.

He made a number of brilliant saves to win us points. Saves that our previous goalkeepers wouldn't have made.

Your hatred for Pickford is baffling.

 

[MikeH72]

Stop abusing players says Mike who's spent the past several years aiming disgusting abuse at a true great Everton servant in Tim Howard.

Fo shame on you @mikeh72

 

[BlueToff]

people coming up with crazy reasons instead of telling the truth.

1) a new contract wasnt needed he had nearly 4 years left on his current one and was in no danger of leaving. Despite 2 of the top 6 looking for a keeper, he was never mentioned.
2)height and arm reach arent the best, he is good in a one on one situation but that shouldnt paper over the fact he has made some errors since he has been here aswell. 3 this season
neves free kick
booted the ball out to a west ham player and they then went on to score
danny ings shot which he then had to save on to the bar.
3)distribution from a goal kick is poor and often hits it out of play.
4) theres no set transfer fee to safe guard the club if he does hit de geas level in the future.

He has basically got a wage increase for no reason, you have james mccarthy who has less then 2 years left and pickford gets offered a new contract.

Oh get in the bin

 

[Lanolin]

Well those fans are wrong. We are terrible, yes, but what a normal fan would do is accept that fact and actually try to maybe get behind the rebuilding job and give it a bit of time. But instead you have people wailing away on social media calling for the manager’s head after 6 games as they think we’re entitled to success just because a previous moron spent a lot of money assembling said garbage squad. This clearly translates into the ground on a match day, where you have us being booed off at half time when drawing against a team we “should” be beating. Despite the fact that superiority complex is completely unfounded as we’re still abysmal.

Then there’s the other side of the fanbase, actively wanting our players to be rubbish and revelling in it when they are so they can tell faceless people on an Internet forum how right their initial opinion was. There’s nothing wrong with criticising a player’s performance, or if a player has proven himself genuinely rubbish throughout his career expressing your wish to see him not in the team, but it’s got to the stage where people are just making up errors and poor performances because they have to make themselves feel good somehow, and being right and/or “winding people up” is that validation they need.

Fully agree with this.

Again, not true. He was correctly criticised on here for taking the step to his right for the Wolves free kick, and the third West Ham goal which he should’ve got down to. But people literally blame him for not “keeping clean sheets”, when it’s football and you have a defence for a reason. Often the difference between keeping a clean sheet and not keeping one could be a goal like Lacazette’s last week, how on earth can you put that on the keeper for conceding? Clean sheets are a team effort, the goalkeeper can’t be the entire defence on his own.

You're making the mistake here of assuming i'm talking about you. I'm not. You may have criticised him for Wolves and West Ham, but you're saying it's not true that many didn't. That's frankly laughable, because there were pages of people on here and twitter saying he was completely blameless. I agree with you, it's not the keeper's fault every time a goal goes in, but it's not the defences either, and yet they get loads of stick that Pickford is exempted from. After West Ham's first I saw people blaming Gana for a poor pass, Tosun for poor control, Holgate for not busting a gut to get back, Zouma for pushing too far forward and Silva's tactics. When I said I thought Pickford could have tried to narrow the angle - note, not saying he should have saved it/he made a massive ricket/it was his fault - I was shouted down by people saying it was ridiculous to even suggest such a thing. Pretty much everyone else could have done better, but Pickford was absolutely blameless apparently.

I'm with you, I'm not trying to blame individuals, I just think some of them seem to escape being held collectively accountable as well as individually.

 

[Brisan123]

Oh get in the bin

My favourite one is put your bed in the bin and then get into bed
Don’t know who said it but it’ll go down as a classic
I’d steer clear of Havrey , he’s upset over last night

 

[msb]

I get what you're saying, absolutely, but there is more than one way of looking at things and we don't all have to be doing cartwheels.

Loads of people on here go on (and on, and on) about mentality and how we need to lose the little old Everton tag and become winners, never accepting anything other than the best. The reason we lose away at Arsenal, so the story goes, is nothing to do with us not being as good as them, it's purely and simply an ingrained attitude at the club where failure is normalised. Then, when we actively reward failure by giving a bumper new contract to a goalkeeper who conceded more goals in his first season than any keeper we've had for the last 15 years, the same people are ecstatic and tell everyone else they should be too. How does that tally up?

I'm not saying giving Pickford a new contract is a bad thing. It's fine, he's fine, but just like him, it's not amazing.

He may or may not be the best thing since sliced bread. What is important is that Everton have secured the value of an asset - this is more like what we should be doing. I make no comment on his ability, just the practical sense of what has been done. And not turning cartwheels, but another indication that club has its thinking straight for once - or at least on an upward curve. Of course, it could be a disaster if his value plummets, but let's be honest, transfer fees are only going one way.

 

[orly]

My favourite one is put your bed in the bin and then get into bed
Don’t know who said it but it’ll go down as a classic
I’d steer clear of Havrey , he’s upset over last night

You're welcome

 

[Lanolin]

I'm sure they are mate - like, I know they are as well. Look at United and Pogba as well.

I just don't think as many fans are so unwilling - or seemingly unwilling - to admit that they constantly have the blinkers on.

I rate Gylfi, but I won't say he didn't have a bad performance when he does play badly. I'll just defend him when he gets the, what I think, unfair sweeping criticism that seems to have become the norm.

And same goes for Pickford. He's made mistakes this season, no doubt, but he's an excellent young goalkeeper with massive potential. Whether he meets it we don't know.

But I genuinely saw a fan on Twitter yesterday say we shouldn't be giving Pickford a new deal because "he isn't a top class goalkeeper", like we're a top class team.

He was our best player last season which sums up how bad we were - our goalkeeper had so much to do.

Perfectly justifiable criticism is fine and he needs to learn from his mistakes this season, but it seems just because he had a good World Cup (and it was brilliant) a section of our fans - which is so strange - seem to have it in for him. Like they need to knock him down again. That's weird.

That works both ways though. People decide that somebody is good, and they won't be shaken from that belief no matter what. Look at someone like Bilyaletdinov as an example, who had people claiming that he was brilliant even after 2 terrible years, and all we needed to do was play him in a position he'd never played in before to see it. Klaassen had it too, with loads of people saying he would come good and it was totally understandable that he'd not looked great, only for a new DoF who had seen him at close quarters for years to come in and immediately decide he was perfectly happy to take a 50% hit on him in order to get rid. I think it applies to a lesser extent with Pickford too, people are desperate for him to be world class and so they deflect blame from him wherever possible in order to maintain that stance.

In terms of that fan on twitter, I can actually see the logic in that statement. I said earlier, people always talk about mentality and becoming winners, so there is an argument that giving new contracts to people who haven't exactly been unbelievable and have 4 years left on their existing deal isn't really necessary. Obviously if he was top class that would be different, but does the league's 7th or 8th best team really need to nail down the league's 7th or 8th best keeper on a long term deal? It's certainly not a bad thing in my opinion, but I do understand why some people would question it.

 

[BlueToff]

That works both ways though. People decide that somebody is good, and they won't be shaken from that belief no matter what. Look at someone like Bilyaletdinov as an example, who had people claiming that he was brilliant even after 2 terrible years, and all we needed to do was play him in a position he'd never played in before to see it. Klaassen had it too, with loads of people saying he would come good and it was totally understandable that he'd not looked great, only for a new DoF who had seen him at close quarters for years to come in and immediately decide he was perfectly happy to take a 50% hit on him in order to get rid. I think it applies to a lesser extent with Pickford too, people are desperate for him to be world class and so they deflect blame from him wherever possible in order to maintain that stance.

In terms of that fan on twitter, I can actually see the logic in that statement. I said earlier, people always talk about mentality and becoming winners, so there is an argument that giving new contracts to people who haven't exactly been unbelievable and have 4 years left on their existing deal isn't really necessary. Obviously if he was top class that would be different, but does the league's 7th or 8th best team really need to nail down the league's 7th or 8th best keeper on a long term deal? It's certainly not a bad thing in my opinion, but I do understand why some people would question it.

Good points as always.

However, surely on your last point, the thing is, Pickford definitely has the potential to become better.

I made the point back to said fan that the point of having Pickford is that as he grows, we grow with him. That's how to do it with young players, surely?

 

[Lanolin]

Good points as always.

However, surely on your last point, the thing is, Pickford definitely has the potential to become better.

I made the point back to said fan that the point of having Pickford is that as he grows, we grow with him. That's how to do it with young players, surely?

Yeah, I agree with that. And as I said, I don't want to give the impression I don't rate Pickford because I do, maybe just not quite as much as some others do.

 

[evertonarntwe]

people coming up with crazy reasons instead of telling the truth.

1) a new contract wasnt needed he had nearly 4 years left on his current one and was in no danger of leaving. Despite 2 of the top 6 looking for a keeper, he was never mentioned.
2)height and arm reach arent the best, he is good in a one on one situation but that shouldnt paper over the fact he has made some errors since he has been here aswell. 3 this season
neves free kick
booted the ball out to a west ham player and they then went on to score
danny ings shot which he then had to save on to the bar.
3)distribution from a goal kick is poor and often hits it out of play.
4) theres no set transfer fee to safe guard the club if he does hit de geas level in the future.

He has basically got a wage increase for no reason, you have james mccarthy who has less then 2 years left and pickford gets offered a new contract.

1) he was mentioned re Chelsea to be fair, whether that was genuine interest or not but he was constantly linked when they sold lankey, the other team I think you mean arsenal? they couldn't afford him, they won't pay that much money unless it's a star name

2) neves free kick could have done better like, he gave the ball away against west ham but there was still a lot of playing after that, yarmalenko should have been closed down and never been able to get the shot away so he's not solely at fault, the ings one he made up for with a boss save

3) his distribution is more quality than not, you have it down as a flaw but fail to mention it was pickfords distribution which set up Walcott vs Bournemouth for either the goal or getting that grass smith sent off ( cant remember which )

4) he's on a siz year deal or whatever it is, we cant be bullied into selling ie barkley, lukuku who only had a short time left

I find it mad people go out their way to criticize him when he's the best keeper we've had in a good 5/6 years

 

[BlueToff]

Yeah, I agree with that. And as I said, I don't want to give the impression I don't rate Pickford because I do, maybe just not quite as much as some others do.

I personally think he's an excellent prospect, who has all the attributes to be a top goalkeeper.

He isn't just yet and he does make mistakes.

But, he's getting there. It also has to be taken into account that in his two full PL seasons he's had two atrocious defensive teams (not just the defence) ahead of him.

I take the point that he is part of that onboard, genuinely, but we saw in the World Cup that behind even a semi-competent defence (and England's wasn't great) he could make a big impact.

At the end of the day, a goalkeeper's job is to make saves. That doesn't mean every goal that goes in is his fault. He does need to sharpen up because he hasn't been at his best so far, but I have no doubt he'll be back to his best form soon enough.

 

[havrey0123]

1) he was mentioned re Chelsea to be fair, whether that was genuine interest or not but he was constantly linked when they sold lankey, the other team I think you mean arsenal? they couldn't afford him, they won't pay that much money unless it's a star name

2) neves free kick could have done better like, he gave the ball away against west ham but there was still a lot of playing after that, yarmalenko should have been closed down and never been able to get the shot away so he's not solely at fault, the ings one he made up for with a boss save

3) his distribution is more quality than not, you have it down as a flaw but fail to mention it was pickfords distribution which set up Walcott vs Bournemouth for either the goal or getting that grass smith sent off ( cant remember which )

4) he's on a siz year deal or whatever it is, we cant be bullied into selling ie barkley, lukuku who only had a short time left

I find it mad people go out their way to criticize him when he's the best keeper we've had in a good 5/6 years

different scenario, pickford had a long time left.

It was a new contract to essentially give him a pay rise.

whether a person has 4 years left or 6 years left, it makes no difference on his transfer value what so ever,

bottom line, it wasnt needed yet

 

[GlosBlue]

different scenario, pickford had a long time left.

It was a new contract to essentially give him a pay rise.

whether a person has 4 years left or 6 years left, it makes no difference on his transfer value what so ever,

bottom line, it wasnt needed yet

Well it was - if we didn't he would feel let down and no doubt there would be other teams willing to pay him what he is worth...