2018/19 Jordan Pickford

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Gwladysstreetlad said:
I'm not defending him from people saying it was a horrendous cock-up, nobody is! I'm taking the side of sanity and saying that you and others are going well OTT, being ludicrous and frankly embarrassing yourselves with some of this nonsense.
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The embarrassment is with people defending him as a GK.

A top club looks to admonish at the very least their errant players. Some of our supporters want to accept their errors and leave the matter alone. That's one of the reasons why we're not a top club anymore.
 

davek said:
Right there you have your finger on the problem with Pickford. He's guilty of that all the time and it will always prove costly. He just doesn't have the focus to be a very good goalkeeper, nevermind a great one. It's that hesitation that will prove costly time after time.
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But he's not though.

His main asset is his conviction. Whatever decision he makes, he usually sticks to it.

I can think of two examples when he's hesitated and it's cost us. As you rightly point out, they have unfortunately come in our last two Anfield trips (as they would do).
 
BlueToff said:
But he's not though.

His main asset is his conviction. Whatever decision he makes, he usually sticks to it.

I can think of two examples when he's hesitated and it's cost us. As you rightly point out, they have unfortunately come in our last two Anfield trips (as they would do).
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Is this other mistake the Van Dijk header Toff?
 

The worst error I have seen in the worst context, so for me a huge black mark against him.

He will have to go some way to put that behind him, it will follow him throughout his career now.

Pickford is our No.1 keeper and will stay in the team so on that basis he deserves the same level of support as do all the other players but boy that was one hell of a clanger.

What compounds it was that he created the moment - it wasn't poor timing, a weak hand to a ball, bad positioning. It was a routine situation to deal with and whatever went through his head was just sheer madness.

It's the fans that pay the price and at some other clubs, he would be slaughtered for it, as he is being here, but on a scale that would call into question his viability to continue.

Perhaps that would be a big over-reaction but the cold reality is that he cost us a point which would have gone a long way to exorcising the demons of recent years. Instead he provided a moment of gigantic comic jubilation for them at our expense. Cannon fodder for the RS media machine and ensuring the right team got the right result.
 
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Parker NSNO said:
Is this other mistake the Van Dijk header Toff?
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Yeh, from what I recall that was the last time he hesitated when coming for a corner and basically got caught doing neither.

Since then, I can't remember him doing that. He basically makes a decision and sticks with it. Just like he hasn't tried another stupid kick out like the one he did against West Ham.

I'm not saying it's right that it takes a mistake for him to learn but he evidently does learn from his mistakes. He's 24. He has the potential to be an excellent goalkeeper. He's not quite there yet but he's more than good enough to help us become an excellent team.

Massive cock up yesterday in our biggest game of the season. It hurts, and it hurts more because some sections of our fanbase are so ready to turn on any of our players.

Silva spoke to him yesterday and I'm sure today they will be running through exactly what went wrong and what he should have done. Pickford didn't have to do the interview but at least came out and said it as it was. A mistake, and bad luck.
 
davek said:
The embarrassment is with people defending him as a GK.

A top club looks to admonish at the very least their errant players. Some of our supporters want to accept their errors and leave the matter alone. That's one of the reasons why we're not a top club anymore.
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I'll ask again:

WHO. IS. DEFENDING. HIM.

Nobody is defending his cock-up. Nobody. Most of us just feel that some of you have gone beyond reason and have lost all perspective. Nobody wants to just accept what's happened but the reality of dropping Pickford all so people like yourself can get a buzz for a few mins and carry the delusional notion around that you've somehow punished the lad (who will still collect his wages) is that we'd be stuck with Stek in goal and despite what you might of convinced yourself, that would hurt us big time and cost us far more then a single point.

Yeah. Fans not abusing players after mistakes is obviously isn't one of the reasons we as a club aren't in the position we'd all like us to be. It might shock you but ultimately we all have zero impact on the club and how it's run.
 
brieverton said:
The worst error I have seen in the worst context, so for me a huge black mark against him.

He will have to go some way to put that behind him, it will follow him throughout his career now.

Pickford is our No.1 keeper and will stay in the team so on that basis he deserves the same level of support as do all the other player but boy that was one hell of a clanger.

What compounds it was that he created the moment - it wasn't poor timing, a weak hand to a ball, bad positioning. It was a routine situation to deal with and whatever went through his head was just sheer madness.

It's the fans that pay the price and at some other clubs, he would be slaughtered for it, as he is being here, but on a scale that would call into question his viability to continue.

Perhaps that would be a big over-reaction but the cold reality is that he cost us a point which would have gone a long way to exorcising the demons of recent years. Instread he provided a moment of comic jublitation for them at our expense.
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It wasn't.

It doesn't excuse his error, but a sliced volley somehow looping and spinning right onto the crossbar in the 96th minute of an Anfield derby where we're hanging on and there's a Liverpool player a yard away is not a routine situation.
 
The worry is that the Newcastle game is the worst possible one for him to play next - their fans will barrack him for 90 minutes and he won’t be able to help himself but to get involved with them - and get himself involved in situations he doesn’t need to on the pitch. (As he did yesterday)
 

davek said:
Firstly, I dont condemn Liverpool for getting shut of Karius. They were correct to do so. It was only funny to have a go at a club's supporters who have the YNWA motto doing the throwing under the bus that was pathetic.

Second, his disatribution is not a plus, so there's no taking the rough with the smooth about it for me.

We have an arrogant fool in goal who just cost us. Why is that so hard to accept?
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And Karius was statistically much better than Pickford last season aswell, Liverpool showed how ruthless you have to be to improve by bombing him out for a much better keeper
 
mkrudden said:
You should care about others mate. Because that's essential context. Without it, it's just OTT emotion.
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He gets talked up as a top GK by many. That's the context he has to be judged in. A top GK doesn't prove to be the difference between draws and defeats in two of the (very few) derbies he's played in. His form was chronic at the start of the season and he's always liable to lose focus.

If you want to bring the whole GK union into the debate, they're the issues you also draw into the fray. And for my money we dont have the GK many like to argue we have.

He is and always will be a second rate GK who cant curb his natural impetuosity.

He;s no good for us. We need solid and consistent. Just like all aspiring clubs.
 

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