2018/19 Jordan Pickford

Papa Shango · December 3, 2018

BlueToff said:
Someone posted a video earlier of Bruce Grobbelaar making a similarly awful error in a derby.

It happens. De Gea made a complete blunder in the World Cup against Portugal. Is he now not a great goalkeeper?

It's a stupid mistake. But it's not arrogance or over-confidence. It was simply an error in judgement. He hesitated and, because it's them, at Anfield, it cost us.

I actually agree with you, I think the arrogance thing is weird and based on absolutely nothing.

I don't think Pickford is a great goalkeeper yet though. That's not having a go at him either, I just set my standards high. he has the tools to be one but he needs to calm down a bit, also jib the mad rushed kicks off, its a weapon when used right, it doesn't have to be used all the time.

It does happen as you said, It would be nice if it didn't happen in a derby with the last kick of the game. That is massively deflating and was totally avoidable. It was Tim Howard levels of madness.

And no De Gea making a mistake doesn't make him a worse keeper, at the same time I bet the Spanish fans were not thinking "oh he is usually great" I bet they were calling him a knob in Spanish at the time. Fans kicking off over it doesn't make them any less of a fan either, it just shows frustration. It's perfectly normal as long as it doesn't stick.

davek · December 3, 2018

BlueToff said:
Dave I friggin hate it. But for Christ sake, it was a mistake.

Too many of them. He's racked them up in the short period he;s been here.

He is NOT a class GK. I think that's what you and others have to accept actually, if you're being all philosophical about the matter.

BlueToff · December 3, 2018

davek said:
If I was in that team yesterday and Pickford came through the door into the dressing room i;d have tried to knock him out. 96 minutes up in flames after that arrogant spanner wnats to play to the cameras. And no mate, I dnt think it is just you and me and a few others who are livid at this feller. Only a handful of people on a forum think what he did was defensible and/or accaptable in light of whatever else he's done.

We're not defending the mistake.

It's just not down to arrogance. It's a mistake. He hesitated and ended up trying to recover and because of the spin on the ball it happened to bobble back in, and Origi was right there to capitalise.

You should be equally as furious at Mina and Gomes for missing sitters, but you won't be.

davek · December 3, 2018

tim cahill said:
I’m still fuming with him as well... but he is a very good keeper and we simply wouldn’t be able to attract anyone better than him. We just need to hope he keeps improving and stops saving his mistakes for Liverpool.

I said last night that he as a GK he has been defined by this fixture. He;s a derby day calamity. He'll never get away from that now. As long as he's in goal we'll never win a derby would be my guess.

BlueIsTheColour · December 3, 2018

davek said:
I'm really not arsed about how this loose cannon reacts and bounces back against the might of Newcastle, tbh. I want an Everton GK to rise to the occassion in a derby match. He just inflicted a self induced wound to this club and he needs to stop hiding behind his cowardly non-apology (which no one wants to hear) and start turning up in derbies and other big games.

Mr Arrogance strutting round the 18 yard box when it suits him and bigging himself up. But he's a bottler when push comes to shove.

We should have cashed in on this medicore player in the summer when he would have fetched top dollar. Now we're stuck with a 1st team GK that no top club would touch with a barge pole.

he was linked with man utd for £70m in yesterdays papers! 99% of ppl seem to know he's a very very good keeper and then 1% seem to ave it in for him. Do you remember the saves he made earlier in the game or the clean sheet he kept at Chelsea in the last away game? Without googling it Im guessing hes the only keeper to keep a clean sheet at Stamford bridge this season....and was almost the first at anfield too

davek · December 3, 2018

BlueToff said:
We're not defending the mistake.

It's just not down to arrogance. It's a mistake. He hesitated and ended up trying to recover and because of the spin on the ball it happened to bobble back in, and Origi was right there to capitalise.

You should be equally as furious at Mina and Gomes for missing sitters, but you won't be.

Have a look at the aloof way he's kept goal for us since the start of the season off the back of that WC. Have a look at his words about not committing the errors that other GKs make. Then tell me that feller is not arrogant.

Well, his arrogance exploded in his and our faces yesrerday. That's why we are where we are today.

longers · December 3, 2018

Decent keeper but he’s got an absolute shedload more clangers in him so get used to it,

davek · December 3, 2018

BlueIsTheColour said:
he was linked with man utd for £70m in yesterdays papers! 99% of ppl seem to know he's a very very good keeper and then 1% seem to ave it in for him. Do you remember the saves he made earlier in the game or the clean sheet he kept at Chelsea in the last away game? Without googling it Im guessing hes the only keeper to keep a clean sheet at Stamford bridge this season....and was almost the first at anfield too

"Linked".

No top club would touch this calamity strewn clown.

COYBL25 · December 3, 2018

Even as a kid he had an attitude problem.

Maybe @davek is onto something here ?

BlueToff · December 3, 2018

Papa Shango said:
I actually agree with you, I think the arrogance thing is weird and based on absolutely nothing.

I don't think Pickford is a great goalkeeper yet though. That's not having a go at him either, I just set my standards high. he has the tools to be one but he needs to calm down a bit, also jib the mad rushed kicks off, its a weapon when used right, it doesn't have to be used all the time.

It does happen as you said, It would be nice if it didn't happen in a derby with the last kick of the game. That is massively deflating and was totally avoidable. It was Tim Howard levels of madness.

And no De Gea making a mistake doesn't make him a worse keeper, at the same time I bet the Spanish fans were not thinking "oh he is usually great" I bet they were calling him a knob in Spanish at the time. Fans kicking off over it doesn't make them any less of a fan either, it just shows frustration. It's perfectly normal as long as it doesn't stick.

I agree that he's not great yet mate. I think he's a very good goalkeeper who could go on to become great. But, he has a lot of work to do. Our own fans - or some of them - seem to have taken a dislike to him because he did brilliantly at the World Cup.

He does need to jib the kicks but in fairness I think he only did one yesterday which was a Robertson mistake away from putting Richarlison in. Robertson did brilliantly to judge it right. It's such an asset to have that I don't mind him doing that in that situation, because at the end of the day all that ultimately led to them winning the game yesterday was VVD swinging a boot at it.

And yes, agree it was entirely avoidable. My point is whatever Pickford did in that situation, there was a risk.

Yes, he could have let it hit the bar and it would most likely have gone out. But what if it hadn't? Do you run that risk?

Yes, he could have tipped it over. But what if they'd scored from the corner?

What he shouldn't have done is what he did which is hesitate and get stuck in between and then tried to recover by parrying it out of danger.

Dharma · December 3, 2018

His first touch of the game set the tone. His behaviour of late is getting more and more Hartesk. He believes his own hype, and has cost us dearly.

davek · December 3, 2018

Gwladysstreetlad said:
You've become a parody of yourself, you know that right? We're all hurting right now but some of the guff you and others have put on here is embarrassing and none more so then this last post of yours.

Give us a name of a keeper who is better then Pickford that you'd like us to peruse and we'll see if we can have an adult discussion about it because being childish and just saying you'd sooner have anyone else is beyond pathetic and stupid, I suspect you know that deep down.

Then stop defending this GK on this morning of all mornings. Be honest about it.

Gwladysstreetlad · December 3, 2018

davek said:
If I was in that team yesterday and Pickford came through the door into the dressing room i;d have tried to knock him out.

Brilliant this, comedy gold. You rant and rave about Barkly being mistreated because a couple of fans occasionally shouted "turn Ross!" and the manager gave him some though love.

Yet you're also happy to advocate a teammate punching Pickford because of a massive error of judgment. Ludicrous l, utterly ludicrous.

davek said:
And no mate, I dnt think it is just you and me and a few others who are livid at this feller. Only a handful of people on a forum think what he did was defensible and/or accaptable in light of whatever else he's done.

Everyone is livid about it FFS. It's just that most of us have perspective and haven't haven't gone off the deep end like you and a handful of others have.

BlueToff · December 3, 2018

davek said:
Have a look at the aloof way he's kept goal for us since the start of the season off the back of that WC. Have a look at his words about not committing the errors that other GKs make. Then tell me that feller is not arrogant.

Well, his arrogance exploded in his and our faces yesrerday. That's why we are where we are today.

I have seen literally no difference in how he's performed (in terms of his style) this season compared to last.

The difference is he's playing under a manager who encourages him to play out from the back more. And yes he has confidence in that ability (even though I still think that's the weakest part of his game when it's rushed).

Parker · December 3, 2018

davek said:
Have a look at the aloof way he's kept goal for us since the start of the season off the back of that WC. Have a look at his words about not committing the errors that other GKs make. Then tell me that feller is not arrogant.

Well, his arrogance exploded in his and our faces yesrerday. That's why we are where we are today.