2018/19 Jordan Pickford

[davek]

Not for me mate, he has talent, plenty off it and there is head room for development there. For me he is at a specific stage of development, he has achieved and been exposed to an awful lot in a short space of time. To be honest I think he has become arrogant and thinks he’s still the star performer in the latter stage of the World Cup. He needs to learn that success has to be hard earned all the time and he is a dum of an over all part. That today was arrogance and hubris, as was What happened in Mordor to a degree.

There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance, confidence can be used for focus and composure, arrogance leads to ego feeding, which is what we are seeing.

I’d drop him personally for two games and teach him a bit of humility and try to get him to reflect to progress. He’s a young lad though and this is just a stage in his development.

I disagree on his ability, for me the keeping position has changed hugely in the last three years. He is a very good shot stopper, he’s excellent at sweeping (apart from today), no keeper is good on crosses anymore it’s a skill gone out of the game because of keeper being targeted and blocked, they are told not to go for them because it’s high risk. They are told to punch it only if it’s anywhere in there range. I think his distribution is excellent myself and we need that the way Silva has us playing from the back. He will improve as well I have no doubt about that he’s still a kid.

Like I said I think the keeper position has changed fundamentally in two seasons. Where it was fine to have s good tall shot stopper in there a couple of years ago, we are now in the age of sweeper keepers, by that I mean a keeper had to sweep, come of goal to cut out a long ball a striker is runningin to, playing out from the back they are the safety player, if the defender is high pressed he is the out and has to distribute either long or short, that’s in addition to being a good shot stopper, managing your degree and set prices etc.

I think we evaluate keepers on skill sets from the past, these days we need to judge keepers on new skill sets as the role is changing before our eyes and they have a completely different role now as the game has involved.

It’s no longer 10 outfield and 1 in, It’s 11 outfield.

There are certain skills in GK that are timeless. Concentration for 90 minutes being one...and he cant focus. He has that erratic nature to him. One on one facing down strikers in on goal...that never changes as a test for a GK either, and this feller is a poor reader of what direction an attacker will go in. I accept some aspects have changed (or been downplayed now) such as catching. But his failure to come and deal with a cross by punching or sweeping it away from goal is not down to the changing nature of the game. It's down to him. He wont make that decision and it places our defenders at a massive disadvantage.

There is no scope for development as I see it. He'd need a personality transplant.

 

[Badge1878]

The lad is decent - best we have had in years - love his confidence but if he thinks he has made it because he has played for England and had a big move it’s time to get real.

Reputations quickly gather momentum and as it stands he is seen as a dodge pot - Spain, Anfield, Today - he is in the spotlight alright.

First and foremost he is there to make saves, not create dramas because he sees himself as part of our attacking unit. I hope he realises where is really at - stop blowing smoke because he played at the World Cup and has saved a pen or two - a big few games coming up for Pickford. Can’t see us dropping him as it stands, but it’s getting to the point it’s become a question that his next performances will need answering. Taking Alli out as petulant as it was, doesnt mask the other mistakes he is making.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I can't possibly believe anyone actually thinks he should play the next game.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Has anyone blamed the fans yet? Surely it’s time to blame the fans? You know, for all the abuse he doesn’t get from them at games

 

[Tony1985]

Just watching this back on match of the day and he is at fault for the first, could have done better with the other 2 and although eriksons volley was decent it was saveable. I’m normally a big fan of his but since his mistake in the derby he has been incredibly poor.
I think he just needs to get back to doing the basics and then go from there ffs.

 

[blulouie]

Just saw the video of his "tackle" on Alli.

Horrible rat.

Yeah ....I hate that Alli too.

 

[Neiler]

There are certain skills in GK that are timeless. Concentration for 90 minutes being one...and he cant focus. He has that erratic nature to him. One on one facing down strikers in on goal...that never changes as a test for a GK either, and this feller is a poor reader of what direction an attacker will go in. I accept some aspects have changed (or been downplayed now) such as catching. But his failure to come and deal with a cross by punching or sweeping it away from goal is not down to the changing nature of the game. It's down to him. He wont make that decision and it places our defenders at a massive disadvantage.

There is no scope for development as I see it. He'd need a personality transplant.

I’d agree to differ mate, I actually think he’s pretty good one on one I don’t think there is a fault there. I think some of the chances we cough up don’t make things easy for him to be honest, some of the mistakes are very basic from our defenders (Zouma in particular) that puts him positions were it’s easier for the striker to score then it is to save and he pulls the majority of those off IMO. Another example today is the Spurs second goal, what can you do when your wall crumbles.

I manintain very few keepers come and catch the balls these days in fact I’m sure they are told not to, it’s to high risk with blocking l, double marking the keepers etc.

He’s going through a poor phase at moment, one marked with arrogance and as you say poor decision making (rather then concentration for me). Like I said I would drop for a few games to soften his cough and give him a bit of humility, other aspects like decision making and composure can be coached or psychologically supported in this day and age.

I rate him highly, he has a few rough edges and he is going through a poor patch in his development, but young players always do and need to learn lessons. I’ve no dobht he will kick on and get better through.

 

[Nyhus]

Are we supposed to cheer him even more now? Seemed to be the move after his gift to the rs.

We need to be ruthless and get rid of this over hyped clown. God awful last season, terrible currently signed, we obviously need a big upgrade.

 

[Sharpies volley]

There are certain skills in GK that are timeless. Concentration for 90 minutes being one...and he cant focus. He has that erratic nature to him. One on one facing down strikers in on goal...that never changes as a test for a GK either, and this feller is a poor reader of what direction an attacker will go in. I accept some aspects have changed (or been downplayed now) such as catching. But his failure to come and deal with a cross by punching or sweeping it away from goal is not down to the changing nature of the game. It's down to him. He wont make that decision and it places our defenders at a massive disadvantage.

There is no scope for development as I see it. He'd need a personality transplant.

Great shot stopper though Dave.

 

[Flynnthistle]

He's an average keeper.

Said it from almost the second we signed him that he has a massive issue with sending the ball straight back down the middle from simple shots. Cost us again today. It's unforgivable for a keeper to do that. Particularly one who has done it for years now.

The second shot is right at him as well which he's got to save. He is not unsighted as some have said. It's a basic shot right at him.

Not even taking into consideration the first goal which is horrific and the 3rd which I find him at fault for too.

Most overrated English keeper in a long, long time.

 

[Steve Zodiac]

The two best English keepers are currently warming the bench at Burnley. They are there for the taking as Dyche is too stubborn to admit he made his biggest mistake in management bringing in the ego that is Hart on massive wages.

 

[davek]

I’d agree to differ mate, I actually think he’s pretty good one on one I don’t think there is a fault there. I think some of the chances we cough up don’t make things easy for him to be honest, some of the mistakes are very basic from our defenders (Zouma in particular) that puts him positions were it’s easier for the striker to score then it is to save and he pulls the majority of those off IMO. Another example today is the Spurs second goal, what can you do when your wall crumbles.

I manintain very few keepers come and catch the balls these days in fact I’m sure they are told not to, it’s to high risk with blocking l, double marking the keepers etc.

He’s going through a poor phase at moment, one marked with arrogance and as you say poor decision making (rather then concentration for me). Like I said I would drop for a few games to soften his cough and give him a bit of humility, other aspects like decision making and composure can be coached or psychologically supported in this day and age.

I rate him highly, he has a few rough edges and he is going through a poor patch in his development, but young players always do and need to learn lessons. I’ve no dobht he will kick on and get better through.

Never mind claiming, he offers us nothing form laying a glove on a ball in the box to sweep/punch.

I see the arrogance as part and parcel of him. To be precise it's impetuosity. Are we really saying that we have to be patient while a keeper of his age gets that out of his system? I cant accpet we have to wait for him, not for £30M I dont.

We cant keep playing him and waiting for the improvemnent...always supposing the penny actually drops with this feller.

 

[davek]

Great shot stopper though Dave.

Wonderful. I noticed that today.

 

[Neiler]

Never mind claiming, he offers us nothing form laying a glove on a ball in the box to sweep/punch.

I see the arrogance as part and parcel of him. To be precise it's impetuosity. Are we really saying that we have to be patient while a keeper of his age gets that out of his system? I cant accpet we have to wait for him, not for £30M I dont.

We cant keep playing him and waiting for the improvemnent...always supposing the penny actually drops with this feller.

Can’t say it’s something I’ve noticed to be honest with you as a deficiency in his performance I can think of him punching well. Like I’ve explained I don’t see any keepers coming to claim a ball these days, certainly not for set pieces, not like in the 70/80/90s.

I think he is a pretty good sweeper to be honest, he’s usually good off his line despite the gaff today. In actual fact he had a decent starting point today coming out positionally and got to the ball, only for him and Zouma to completely be Teds. The keeper should have shouted, if he didn’t he’s at fault, if he did and was ignored then it’s Zoumas fault, you learn that playing under 6s.

Like I say there is a fine line between arrogance and confidence, that is why I think he needs to learn humility and needs coaching and support around his decision making and composure.

Whether that will remain or he will grow mature is just speculation really, he’s still very young in his career, Alison, Ederson and Kepra have made similar mistakes this year and they cost far more. So his price tag doesn’t come into it for me. He’s a 30 million asset who would proabably be sold for double that to be honest.

This is were we differ, I think there is loads ofnheadroom for improvement there from a pretty strong base, some of the aspects you point out are areas he needs to work on, but I don’t thing he’s at the ceiling of his development to be honest, he is very young in his career what’s this his third full senior PL season. And he’s two and half seasons into it.

 

[marsh]

Terrible mistake again, if you come out then you have to just go for it. You can't come out, hesitate and cause confusion.. gifted them a goal and momentum sways. Good finish by Son like