Sorry Wolf, not with you here. Sometimes you have to dog a game out & rely on your keeper to do the basics. He didnt do that & cost us three points, don't try to look anywhere else, the buck stops with JP in this one
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Sorry Wolf, not with you here. Sometimes you have to dog a game out & rely on your keeper to do the basics. He didnt do that & cost us three points, don't try to look anywhere else, the buck stops with JP in this one
Sharpies volley
Player Valuation: £30m
He could have just fallen on the ball with his body behind it if he wasn't so twitchy.
4 days to sell him
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Dublin blue 75
Player Valuation: £50m
Looking back there were 80 seconds leading up to the goal where he fluffed his lines three times in classic JP fashion. He started with a needless two handed save to push a ball out for a corner where it was evidently going at least two foot wide. Indeed Keane can be seen pointing this out as he dives.
From the resulting corner he comes for the ball, flaps and misses. The ball bounces around the edge of the box in a melee of bodies and confusion (see the earlier two incidents here as cause of same) and he makes a bags of a save a competent keeper would have likely caught were they standing correctly.
This 80 seconds encapsulated JP. Come the end of the season and given how tight the table is from 2nd to 9th, I am full certain that 80 seconds will have cost us 1 and possibly 2 league placings. It must be deeply unsettling for the defence to play in front of someone with this in him. Small margins but this is going on way too long. Get Olsen in for the remainder of the season.
From the resulting corner he comes for the ball, flaps and misses. The ball bounces around the edge of the box in a melee of bodies and confusion (see the earlier two incidents here as cause of same) and he makes a bags of a save a competent keeper would have likely caught were they standing correctly.
This 80 seconds encapsulated JP. Come the end of the season and given how tight the table is from 2nd to 9th, I am full certain that 80 seconds will have cost us 1 and possibly 2 league placings. It must be deeply unsettling for the defence to play in front of someone with this in him. Small margins but this is going on way too long. Get Olsen in for the remainder of the season.
Socrates1882
Player Valuation: £150k
Not posted on here for a while .... but full disclosure, I’m a Burnley fan.
Now obviously that means two things :-
1. I’m biased towards Nick Pope.
2. I don’t watch huge amounts of Pickford.
I did watch your game last night and I was stunned at what I saw. He has a shocker for the goal, making three distinct bad decisions. No real need to go into that further.
The thing that surprised me though was just how edgy and chaotic everything Pickford did was. Pope, largely speaking, is a very calm keeper. When he comes for a ball everybody knows he’s going to catch it usually, you also know when he’s coming for a cross pretty much as soon as it leaves somebody’s foot. A lot of saves go straight down his throat because his positioning is solid and whilst he does make flashy saves a lot of the time he makes good block saves - as in he gets his position right and then just makes himself big.
Origi missed a one-on-one against him last week when he hit the bar and I’m convinced strikers aim for the top corner constantly against us because they know otherwise Pope is saving. He made two one-on-one saves from Watkins and Grealish last night just by being big.
I legitimately think for us he’s worth 12-15 points a season. He wouldn’t be for you because you don’t play the way we do, but he definitely wouldn’t cost you the 6/8 Pickford does.
Where Pope is calm Pickford is manic. Even last night I lost count of the times a Leicester play was slipped in on the angle and Pickford takes a couple of steps out to the ball before retreating and then making a diving save. Pope waits for the ball to come to him whereas Pickford is aggressive - too much so to my mind. He has good reactions and if he could get his feet right he’d have a extra second or two to react (I say “if”, I don’t think he will).
The goal you conceded, he doesn’t get his body behind it and it slips through his hands. This is basic stuff and not the first time he’s done it. Pope has better hands and routinely gets his body behind it - which we use to time waste and take the sting out of things. It calms everybody down and allows us to reset.
One last point - I saw somebody say Pope wouldn’t work as you couldn’t play out from the back. Steady on lads .... you’re not Pep’s Barcelona. Pope isn’t that bad with his feet and if your goalie is substantially getting involved with your build up play with his feet you’re doing something wrong.
Now obviously that means two things :-
1. I’m biased towards Nick Pope.
2. I don’t watch huge amounts of Pickford.
I did watch your game last night and I was stunned at what I saw. He has a shocker for the goal, making three distinct bad decisions. No real need to go into that further.
The thing that surprised me though was just how edgy and chaotic everything Pickford did was. Pope, largely speaking, is a very calm keeper. When he comes for a ball everybody knows he’s going to catch it usually, you also know when he’s coming for a cross pretty much as soon as it leaves somebody’s foot. A lot of saves go straight down his throat because his positioning is solid and whilst he does make flashy saves a lot of the time he makes good block saves - as in he gets his position right and then just makes himself big.
Origi missed a one-on-one against him last week when he hit the bar and I’m convinced strikers aim for the top corner constantly against us because they know otherwise Pope is saving. He made two one-on-one saves from Watkins and Grealish last night just by being big.
I legitimately think for us he’s worth 12-15 points a season. He wouldn’t be for you because you don’t play the way we do, but he definitely wouldn’t cost you the 6/8 Pickford does.
Where Pope is calm Pickford is manic. Even last night I lost count of the times a Leicester play was slipped in on the angle and Pickford takes a couple of steps out to the ball before retreating and then making a diving save. Pope waits for the ball to come to him whereas Pickford is aggressive - too much so to my mind. He has good reactions and if he could get his feet right he’d have a extra second or two to react (I say “if”, I don’t think he will).
The goal you conceded, he doesn’t get his body behind it and it slips through his hands. This is basic stuff and not the first time he’s done it. Pope has better hands and routinely gets his body behind it - which we use to time waste and take the sting out of things. It calms everybody down and allows us to reset.
One last point - I saw somebody say Pope wouldn’t work as you couldn’t play out from the back. Steady on lads .... you’re not Pep’s Barcelona. Pope isn’t that bad with his feet and if your goalie is substantially getting involved with your build up play with his feet you’re doing something wrong.
As a couple of other people have said on here, the problem with Pickford is the instability he brings to the defence and the whole team. We all know that he's (generally) an above average shot stopper, but he's truly awful at being a calming influence to the defence.
We just need a 'steady eddie' goalkeeper - One that won't necessarily make worldie saves every week, but won't make horrendous flappy mistakes either.
I'm more annoyed at him for what preceded the goal rather than the actual fluffed save.
We just need a 'steady eddie' goalkeeper - One that won't necessarily make worldie saves every week, but won't make horrendous flappy mistakes either.
I'm more annoyed at him for what preceded the goal rather than the actual fluffed save.
So essentially your saying pope is better than pickford.
Every word is spot on - the gulf is massive; I have no idea how he is in the england squad never mind #1
Socrates1882
Player Valuation: £150k
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Yeah .... I suppose I used a lot of words to say a very simple thing.
I tried to say a bit more than that - more a contrast between the two. I’d not be able to watch Pickford play for us, he’d give me severe anxiety because of just how manic he is abs how much defending we have to do.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that I don’t think Pickford can be saved. There’s a fundamental problem with his mentality and technique which has been present for quite a long time now. And I think your defence would improve maybe another 5% on having just a steady Eddie keeper behind them.
Cool_Blue
Player Valuation: £35m
He’s about that level tbh
Egil Olsen
Player Valuation: £8m
Pickford should definitely take the shot, but at the same time we increase the risk that such incidents can happen when we defend ourselves within the penalty area. GK loses the reference to the ball, greater chance for a deflection, and to get a penalty kick against.
Ye I agree think we are fully in unison with pickford now. His distribution used to save his mistake but that's been off the boil for a while now aswell .
ValBlue
Player Valuation: £20m
Pretty much nailed it with this.
Weirdly enough, Pickford has actually pulled out some big saves since our game against Leeds, he seemed a lot calmer after VVD media storm. Last night seemed like a return to form where he is just a pantomime villain. I’m now done trying to defend him, he’s the liability and could cost our top 4 push. I’d cut off my arm for Nick Pope right now, he’s an alien of a keeper - no right to save half the stuff he does.
Cool_Blue
Player Valuation: £35m
Which just goes to show there are competent keepers out there. Where did they find him?
Efctrueblue
Player Valuation: £5m
Flaps at crosses. Punches badly. Kicks like he’s wearing sandals. Does not make saves he should be making.
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