2020/21 Jordan Pickford

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we're not gonna get rid of him any time soon, I can't see any club being daft to buy him this year, I think when all the contracts of the deadwood are gone next year and some wage/money is freed up we'll buy a keeper in the summer, Might just have to ride this season with him sadly.
 

Look at the effect the mistakes had on our overall game in the second half.

I think his errors and the seeming regularity of them could cause us issues this year, not just in the chances / goals we concede but also the effect on the confidence of the rest of the team.

He can't last much longer tbh.
 
I don't think the effect a messy keeper has on a team can be overestimated.

Klopp realised this and won the league. Sorry for the reminder, like. :rant:
 
I do think that despite his penchant for occasional mistakes that Pickford is still a very good keeper.
Even when he makes a mistake his overall performance will usually be good and he can make outstanding saves and does so regularly, something that gets overlooked in the rush to pillory him and paint him as some second rate keeper. He isn’t.
The problem is whether his lapses will be too costly for us , or whether they can be coached out of him.
Certainly many of the aged and journeyman keepers mooted as a cheap alternative are simply not good enough. Whilst they may not make his costly slips , they will also concede many where Pickford would have saved.
If we were to replace him it would have to be someone of the quality of Pope who is a better goalie at this point. If we can’t find that quality at present we should persevere with Pickford and perhaps hope that Virginia can fulfil his potential in the near future.
That would be my preference any rate.
 

I do think that despite his penchant for occasional mistakes that Pickford is still a very good keeper.
Even when he makes a mistake his overall performance will usually be good and he can make outstanding saves and does so regularly, something that gets overlooked in the rush to pillory him and paint him as some second rate keeper. He isn’t.
The problem is whether his lapses will be too costly for us , or whether they can be coached out of him.
Certainly many of the aged and journeyman keepers mooted as a cheap alternative are simply not good enough. Whilst they may not make his costly slips , they will also concede many where Pickford would have saved.
If we were to replace him it would have to be someone of the quality of Pope who is a better goalie at this point. If we can’t find that quality at present we should persevere with Pickford and perhaps hope that Virginia can fulfil his potential in the near future.
That would be my preference any rate.

Sorry but does he? And what do you mean “occasional” mistakes? He is more or less making a mistake every single game, regardless of whether it leads to a goal or not. He is a terrible keeper. No one in the Premier League would swap their keepers for him.
 
I think (most goalkeepers) who are the clubs usual number 1 think they’re un droppable. If I was carlo I would seriously drop him to show he’s not, and also to give me a volley in his goons.
 

Sorry but does he? And what do you mean “occasional” mistakes? He is more or less making a mistake every single game, regardless of whether it leads to a goal or not. He is a terrible keeper. No one in the Premier League would swap their keepers for him.
My issue with him is basics and concentration, he fails in both departments
He can pull off great saves and appears pretty good on Penalties.... But all of that is pointless if he can’t concentrate and get the basics right

overall a mediocre goalkeeper, and not good enough if we want to progress
 
It's funny really, my partner who doesn't really know much about football will often say things that are very perceptive, just like that. We can get wrapped up in the world of football and miss things that are quite obvious to those outside of it.
Its true, I remember being at the youth FA cup final with a girl who hated footy, we were (both!) only about 15 but I remember her saying that franny jeffers is an arrogant tit. I scoffed at her as he was the best player on the park but something must have stuck out about that I ignored. Fair play to me though I've hated pickford from the start
 
I do think that despite his penchant for occasional mistakes that Pickford is still a very good keeper.
Even when he makes a mistake his overall performance will usually be good and he can make outstanding saves and does so regularly, something that gets overlooked in the rush to pillory him and paint him as some second rate keeper. He isn’t.
The problem is whether his lapses will be too costly for us , or whether they can be coached out of him.
Certainly many of the aged and journeyman keepers mooted as a cheap alternative are simply not good enough. Whilst they may not make his costly slips , they will also concede many where Pickford would have saved.
If we were to replace him it would have to be someone of the quality of Pope who is a better goalie at this point. If we can’t find that quality at present we should persevere with Pickford and perhaps hope that Virginia can fulfil his potential in the near future.
That would be my preference any rate.
Sorry mate I can't agree with you. A lot of the saves he makes and most keepers make on a regular basis are routine saves that you would expect keepers of his standing to make anyway. One outstanding save every blue moon does not make up for the amount of goals he's cost us with either basic or outragous mistakes. I've said it on here before, the best keepers are the ones that get the basics right 90% pf the time. The instinctive saves come naturally to most of them. You see it in the lower leagues every week.
 
Sorry but does he?
Definitely , in my view.
I think that there is tendency for criticism of any player to become overblown with people concentrating on finding witty insults and displaying their(self)righteous dismay rather than a level headed assessment of the player. It’s mob culture and I do not excuse myself from it at times either.
Regardless , personally I think he remains an outstanding goalkeeper but one who displays occasional costly lapses of judgement.
I understand the urge to replace him but not to replace him with a lesser keeper who may not make the mistakes but also may not make the saves.
 

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