Yep I think Stoke would want 40m minimum.
I say give Sunderland 20m for starters for Pickford and let's give the kid a chance to blossom into a top keeper with us.
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Yep I think Stoke would want 40m minimum.
I say give Sunderland 20m for starters for Pickford and let's give the kid a chance to blossom into a top keeper with us.
CRIMHEAD
Player Valuation: £40m
He's already MUCH better than Robles. It's not even close.
Butland is also injury prone.
I'd love either, but we aren't playing $40M for Butland if we can pay 15-20M less for Pickford.
I get the Butland love-in, I do. But he just went through a pretty MASSIVE injury, did he not?
tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
I think it's worth mentioning that there's been loads of young English keepers look that ace initially but then fade away as they age. Richard Wright is an obvious one, but there's been plenty of others.
True mate, but that doesn't put me off wanting us to sign Pickford. I'd be fuming if someone signed him and he forfills his potential
ijjysmith
Calm
But would you equally laugh your head off if someone signed him and he turned out crap?
Nope, I'd do the honourable thing and give myself a good old slap for misjudging the kids talent.
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
Jack Butland is year older but has an ongoing injury, Pickford is probably going to be cheaper, and has had a better season, however Butland is the one to trust with your spaniel.
However I'd go Ginge and get Pickford.
However I'd go Ginge and get Pickford.
Stuartisitc1878
Player Valuation: £25m
If we're chucking big money at a goalie I'd go for Butland personally. Both are massive upgrades on what we've had the last several years though
Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
Scott Carson, Robert Green, Chris Kirkland etc.
Blue Parkender
Player Valuation: £8m
What happened to Lenno and all the other German goalies we were going for..
Kever10
Player Valuation: £20m
I just don't get it with Pickford at all. Someone posted a video a few pages back of his highlights and I thought if any of those had gone in, I'd be fuming. The Arsenal game recently when everyone raved over his performance was similar. It reminded me of Howard's MOTM game in the World Cup, but he took much stick from people on here for that, all saves he should be making etc.
I wasn't Howard's biggest fan myself near the end, but the snarky comments about that performance and in comparison to the way Pickford is being built up now, is almost schizophrenic.
Pickford may or may not become a top keeper, but the biggest problem people have with Joel (aside from who signed him and who he previously played for) is that he has a mistake in him. Never mind the fact he has 3 times came into a struggling defence and had a positive effect, or any of the stats that had him up near the top keeper performances in the league for large chunks of the season.
People were content to sit and wait, ignoring good form, on the basis that they knew he would eventually make a mistake... Like every single other player on the planet, goalkeeper or outfield, is bound to do at some point. And when he did, they gleefully jumped on it.
Pickford may well become one of the best, and make me eat my words. But right now, I don't see it. He also has a mistake in him, and he won't be excused for his mistakes here like he is at Sunderland who were a defensive shambles.
Also, he is an unknown in that he would be facing a different challenge. The lad is facing 20+ shots per game this year. Odds are, he's gonna make some saves. Some of the same people advocating him are the same who dismissed Joel's cleansheets because our defense was great, even though we had struggled before he was in the team and once again when he was dropped, but claimed that his cleansheets came from matches when we faced fewer shots, something we have zero evidence of Pickford being comfortable doing.
For me, spending much more on him now than the £8m we offered would be a gamble, let alone £30m. The stick Bolasie and Rom get is bad enough.
People say Goalkeeper is an important position, and rightly so. But it also means any large fees on them come with magnified scrutiny. A Striker can blame tactics or service, a defender is part of a unit. A goalkeeper stands alone and lives or dies by his mistakes. With that amount of money, you need to get it right.
Im not saying not to buy a new keeper, or that we shouldn't break the bank for one. But if/when we do, we should be buying someone who we know categorically will be an improvement on what we have. I'm not convinced he is, not now anyway, and I certainly wouldn't be spending that much on potential.
I wasn't Howard's biggest fan myself near the end, but the snarky comments about that performance and in comparison to the way Pickford is being built up now, is almost schizophrenic.
Pickford may or may not become a top keeper, but the biggest problem people have with Joel (aside from who signed him and who he previously played for) is that he has a mistake in him. Never mind the fact he has 3 times came into a struggling defence and had a positive effect, or any of the stats that had him up near the top keeper performances in the league for large chunks of the season.
People were content to sit and wait, ignoring good form, on the basis that they knew he would eventually make a mistake... Like every single other player on the planet, goalkeeper or outfield, is bound to do at some point. And when he did, they gleefully jumped on it.
Pickford may well become one of the best, and make me eat my words. But right now, I don't see it. He also has a mistake in him, and he won't be excused for his mistakes here like he is at Sunderland who were a defensive shambles.
Also, he is an unknown in that he would be facing a different challenge. The lad is facing 20+ shots per game this year. Odds are, he's gonna make some saves. Some of the same people advocating him are the same who dismissed Joel's cleansheets because our defense was great, even though we had struggled before he was in the team and once again when he was dropped, but claimed that his cleansheets came from matches when we faced fewer shots, something we have zero evidence of Pickford being comfortable doing.
For me, spending much more on him now than the £8m we offered would be a gamble, let alone £30m. The stick Bolasie and Rom get is bad enough.
People say Goalkeeper is an important position, and rightly so. But it also means any large fees on them come with magnified scrutiny. A Striker can blame tactics or service, a defender is part of a unit. A goalkeeper stands alone and lives or dies by his mistakes. With that amount of money, you need to get it right.
Im not saying not to buy a new keeper, or that we shouldn't break the bank for one. But if/when we do, we should be buying someone who we know categorically will be an improvement on what we have. I'm not convinced he is, not now anyway, and I certainly wouldn't be spending that much on potential.
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