Transfer Rumour Joshua Zirkzee

[ForeverBlue92]

Getting Moise Kean vibes here though.

Wouldnt mind him signing in the summer as a 3rd striker to develop without any pressure off the bench here and there when 2 goals+ to the good & early round cup/potential european fixtures - but for me if you sign someone in January they have to be someone who can make an impact on games and I dont think many 18/19 year olds do that from overseas - look at Kean and the lad from Wolves playing up top for them at present.

 

[longers]

Is this lad another player we’ve no real links to or one we take 6 weeks to sign, can’t tell these days.

we had him on trial prior to him joining Bayern so the clubs definitely had interest in him previously

 

[dutchblue54]

let's see if they ask Carlo later in the press conference. Joshua who.......? lol

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

let's see if they ask Carlo later in the press conference. Joshua who.......? lol

Are we actually going to play; been seeing every other team playing over the last 10 days (most of them twice) but no, not us.

We prefer to pile up the games in an already congested fixture list.

To be fair I guess we can't help it if the Aston Villa and Man City players want to party.

 

[dutchblue54]

Are we actually going to play; been seeing every other team playing over the last 10 days (most of them twice) but no, not us.

We prefer to pile up the games in an already congested fixture list.

To be fair I guess we can't help it if the Aston Villa and Man City players want to party.

Sheff Wed did have a lot of positive cases too. But otherwise they have to play the kids in the FA Cup or risk losing nonetheless

 

[davids]

Sheff Wed did have a lot of positive cases too. But otherwise they have to play the kids in the FA Cup or risk losing nonetheless

Bit of a conundrum,good to keep playing with the confidence of a decent away win,but then the extra time to get players injured back up and running.

 

[Philw]

Ok. I will clarify. The headers he scores, 90% of other strikers would not get into the position to score. He turns what would otherwise be relative aimless balls into the box into great opportunities. I can't think of many other strikers who score a lot of the headed goals he does.

So I'm afraid, to say he is the only player who doesn't make his own chances is infact "demonstrably" untrue.

By goalscorers, as we have established I am referring to league goals outide of penalties.

Salah has 24
Vardy has 24
Kane has 26
Calvert Lewin has 24

Only 1 of the above players has played for a team who has spent most of that time in the bottom half, and had demonstrably less chances than the others.

Calvert Lewin is matching those players, who are in their peak at age 21-23. The lad is absolutely world class. He also does a lot more for the team as a whole than Salah and Vardy.

You're welcome.

Just because he can jump a bit higher doesn't mean he created the chance though. And you talk about it as if our other players are just lumping balls in to the box, hoping that someone will be there. They do know DCL is on there team and what his athletic ability is like. It's not like they're hitting in balls 3 foot above everyone else and he's go-go-gadget-legging it up to get them!

We've already discussed penalties. Fact of the matter is, those other did take them, they did score them, and they count. I'm not really interested in stats you've fabricated or cherry picked just to fit your argument.

Another amazing response to the debate. I'm responding to actual posts with actual logic, your responses are "can you read?" and "you can't understand basic concepts". Put it this way, I don't think you'd cut it out as a teacher either.

The debate was that DCL was lucky to get the game time he's had - my response is that it's by design, not luck.



Kane relatively close to the greatest goalscorer of all time? "It's not difficult" lol Kane's a brilliant player, but very much a level below Ronaldo just like DCL is for Haaland so it's a fair comparison.



I've given you the three players who have comparable ability, all starting for some of the biggest clubs in the world in the best league in the world. If anything, that's goes for the argument of DCL being among the best of his age group. I'd say he's comfortably top 6/7 of all strikers ~25 years old.

It's logical to actually read and comprehend a post before replying to it. You weren't doing that, so not sure how your posts could be logical? You keep asking/arguing the same point. I/we've already stated our case, you just haven't read it properly. I'm not going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again in the vain hope you'll actually read it.

There are more levels between DCL and Haaland than there are between Kane and Ronaldo. Many. Haaland could be/is on the way to being a Ronaldo level player. DCL will be lucky to get to the overall level that Kane has been at for several years now.

You have given three players, from one league, that in your opinion are better. So in the whole entire of the world, you are saying there are only 3 more? Including Haaland and Mbappe??? I really don't know what to say about that tbh.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Any news about Joshua in the DCL thread?

 

[catcherintherye]

Just because he can jump a bit higher doesn't mean he created the chance though. And you talk about it as if our other players are just lumping balls in to the box, hoping that someone will be there. They do know DCL is on there team and what his athletic ability is like. It's not like they're hitting in balls 3 foot above everyone else and he's go-go-gadget-legging it up to get them!

We've already discussed penalties. Fact of the matter is, those other did take them, they did score them, and they count. I'm not really interested in stats you've fabricated or cherry picked just to fit your argument.

Wel of course he has made that a chance. If he's the only player on the pitch who'd get his head to it, he is the key ingredient that takes an aimless cross into a goalscoring opportunities, isnt he?

I haven't cherry picked any information. I've presented you the information you've requested on the parameters Ive set. I've explained to you that scoring penalties isn't the measure of a world class striker (otherwise Baines and Unsworth would be world class).

I'll repeat them for you though. As an added bonus I've also put goals per minute in.

Salah: 24 goals. 1 every 182 minutes
Kane: 26 goals 1 every 162 minutes
DCL: 24 Goals 1 every 167 Minutes
Vardy: 24 goals 1 every 188 minutes.

Thats the things with facts mate. They don't lie. You are probably right in 1 regard to say Calvert Lewin doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the above. In 2 of the 3 above, he's actually substantially better than them!

 

[Carloblues]

Wel of course he has made that a chance. If he's the only player on the pitch who'd get his head to it, he is the key ingredient that takes an aimless cross into a goalscoring opportunities, isnt he?

I haven't cherry picked any information. I've presented you the information you've requested on the parameters Ive set. I've explained to you that scoring penalties isn't the measure of a world class striker (otherwise Baines and Unsworth would be world class).

I'll repeat them for you though. As an added bonus I've also put goals per minute in.

Salah: 24 goals. 1 every 182 minutes
Kane: 26 goals 1 every 162 minutes
DCL: 24 Goals 1 every 167 Minutes
Vardy: 24 goals 1 every 188 minutes.

Thats the things with facts mate. They don't lie. You are probably right in 1 regard to say Calvert Lewin doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the above. In 2 of the 3 above, he's actually substantially better than them!

You keep mentioning pens and how they don't count, most of DCLs are tap ins from open goals from 2/3 yards, do they count less than say a Harry kane top bin from 30 yards?

Every goal counts the same regardless of how they go in, kane, Salah, aguero and most of the other players you mentioned are levels above dcl at the minute

 

[Philw]

Wel of course he has made that a chance. If he's the only player on the pitch who'd get his head to it, he is the key ingredient that takes an aimless cross into a goalscoring opportunities, isnt he?

Look, I normally really enjoy your posts, and what you contribute to the forum, but if you're going to keep ignoring the counter points I've made and keep repeating the same things as if I haven't answered already, then I really don't see the point in discussing it.

I haven't cherry picked any information. I've presented you the information you've requested on the parameters Ive set. I've explained to you that scoring penalties isn't the measure of a world class striker (otherwise Baines and Unsworth would be world class).

If that's not cherry picking then what is? You've literally picked a way to present the stats that make him look as good as those others, will ignoring stats that counter that. Have you even been in an exam, or an interview, or court, and when they've asked you a question said "I'm going to answer that, but on the parameters I've set"??? And like I said previously, unless you analyse each penalty cause and outcome, it is not fair to just blanket remove them from someone's record.

Thats the things with facts mate. They don't lie. You are probably right in 1 regard to say Calvert Lewin doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the above. In 2 of the 3 above, he's actually substantially better than them!

Actual wtf?!? You must be on the wind up.


Look, I am done with this debate. It's derailing the thread. It's pointless. Please don't actually reply to this post, cos if you do I will read it, and if I read it I will want to reply myself, and I really don't want to do that.

 

[Pabbers]

Look, I normally really enjoy your posts, and what you contribute to the forum, but if you're going to keep ignoring the counter points I've made and keep repeating the same things as if I haven't answered already, then I really don't see the point in discussing it.

If that's not cherry picking then what is? You've literally picked a way to present the stats that make him look as good as those others, will ignoring stats that counter that. Have you even been in an exam, or an interview, or court, and when they've asked you a question said "I'm going to answer that, but on the parameters I've set"??? And like I said previously, unless you analyse each penalty cause and outcome, it is not fair to just blanket remove them from someone's record.

Actual wtf?!? You must be on the wind up.


Look, I am done with this debate. It's derailing the thread. It's pointless. Please don't actually reply to this post, cos if you do I will read it, and if I read it I will want to reply myself, and I really don't want to do that.

People do this all the time.


The biggest example is the Messi V Ronaldo debate, ppl use an argument/point to criticise one player....then wont use the same criteria on the player they prefer.

With this Zirkzee, I would just like to watch more of him. If Carlo wants him, surely that’s enough for us, for now.

 

[blue to the bone]

Really hope we sign this Calvert Lewin
Sounds like a very good player

 

[catcherintherye]

Look, I normally really enjoy your posts, and what you contribute to the forum, but if you're going to keep ignoring the counter points I've made and keep repeating the same things as if I haven't answered already, then I really don't see the point in discussing it.

If that's not cherry picking then what is? You've literally picked a way to present the stats that make him look as good as those others, will ignoring stats that counter that. Have you even been in an exam, or an interview, or court, and when they've asked you a question said "I'm going to answer that, but on the parameters I've set"??? And like I said previously, unless you analyse each penalty cause and outcome, it is not fair to just blanket remove them from someone's record.

Actual wtf?!? You must be on the wind up.


Look, I am done with this debate. It's derailing the thread. It's pointless. Please don't actually reply to this post, cos if you do I will read it, and if I read it I will want to reply myself, and I really don't want to do that.

I'm being slightly tongue in cheek.

The point is though, that DCL's record over the last couple of years is right up there with the best in the league. It's not unreasonable to say he provides more for the team too than the rest above (there's a debate with Kane).

Hopefully Zirkzee comes in and can be another DCL.

I think we overrate some players. Richarlinson is a bit overrated for me. Godfrey as a centre back is still raw and a bit overrated. At points last season Holgate was overrated (and probably a bit underrated as a right back). DCL I've always felt is really underrated. The stats seem to back that up.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

Wel of course he has made that a chance. If he's the only player on the pitch who'd get his head to it, he is the key ingredient that takes an aimless cross into a goalscoring opportunities, isnt he?

I haven't cherry picked any information. I've presented you the information you've requested on the parameters Ive set. I've explained to you that scoring penalties isn't the measure of a world class striker (otherwise Baines and Unsworth would be world class).

I'll repeat them for you though. As an added bonus I've also put goals per minute in.

Salah: 24 goals. 1 every 182 minutes
Kane: 26 goals 1 every 162 minutes
DCL: 24 Goals 1 every 167 Minutes
Vardy: 24 goals 1 every 188 minutes.

Thats the things with facts mate. They don't lie. You are probably right in 1 regard to say Calvert Lewin doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the above. In 2 of the 3 above, he's actually substantially better than them!

Kane, Salah and Vardy have also scored a load of penalties which pads their numbers