keioc and sos working together ?

[chicoazul]

In that case, neither. BEST (Bacon, Egg, Sausage & Tomato) in a butty is best for breakfast. You don't need sauce if you've got the tomato in there. On a plate, you don't need either if it's cooked right...if it's all dried out, you can disguise it with ketchup, but really why bother?

HP adds nothing to breakfast for me, at a BBQ on the other hand, or as part of a marinade? Yes, Yes, Yes!


So is this some kind of initiation test then? Did I pass? Do I win a stuffed teddy or a Fellaini wig?

I sort of hear what you're saying but your breakfast always needs to have a sauce for company. You've got 256 flavour combinations in your effort there, by adding a sauce (which won't add too much substance to the balance of the butty) you up the flavour combinations to 1024 and in the process, complete your sandwich.

For which I'd highly recommend Brown Sauce, it out performs Ketchup in the breakfast area every time.

 

[little curly alan ball]

L.C.A.B. puts card right on table ;

I would never have gone to Kirkby , BUT , I also know someone whom - relatively early on - found K.E.I.O.C.- after being involved - a defo Closed - Shop , and would find merit in the whole ; them wanting to be seen as Evertonian #1 , 2 , 3 , etc .

Still , welcome Duckling , at least you had a go , lad .

 

[Tom Hughes]

duckling.....For I is a wool, they wont want to come over the boundary for fear of it turning into deliverance

I've spoken to Dave Kelly and Colin Fitz about taking the presentation around supporter's clubs/groups etc, and that is the intention dependent on developments over the next few weeks. The whole idea is still doing the rounds in terms of discussions with interested parties, with various meetings yet to take place, and that may affect the content of, or even need for any future presentation.... plus of course other media may be more appropriate at that point.

It perhaps should be remembered that they have held public exhibitions/meetings on many occasions with several thousand attending the one at St George's Hall, which they will do again if required.... but it's early days yet and nothing has been decided.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I sort of hear what you're saying but your breakfast always needs to have a sauce for company. You've got 256 flavour combinations in your effort there, by adding a sauce (which won't add too much substance to the balance of the butty) you up the flavour combinations to 1024 and in the process, complete your sandwich.

For which I'd highly recommend Brown Sauce, it out performs Ketchup in the breakfast area every time.

rumblings here from the belly region now.... you horror !!

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

Look, I'm doing my best to report what I recall of somebody else's very rough outline plans. I'm neither a stadium design expert nor particularly "in the know".

As I understand it (which at any point could turn out to be completely wrong), the whole stand and hotel/conference/car park development at the Park End could be done for in the region of £75m. When you do a development like that, I'm sure there are savings to be made on each part by doing the whole thing together. Rebuilding the stand alone, or building a similar hotel development without the stand may not be as cheap.

As the hotel and corporate dining facilities, lounges, etc are integrated with the stand, part of the construction cost is associated with them. If we want to get to keep any of the income from pre/post-match dining or any other events held in them, we'd need to contribute more than the £25m, otherwise the developer would keep all that revenue. What % we contribute (and therefore what % of revenue we get to keep) would depend on many factors...not least what we could afford and (I assume) how much of a risk the developer perceived the project to be.

To repeat, based on Trevor's presentation, I don't think the stand on it's own can be done (at least to a decent/suitable standard) for £25m, but that could be the club's minimum investment in the redevelopment at the Park End. Of course minimum investment would yield minimum gain.

Much better info and its heartening to know that KEIOC... are thinking about affordability (see previous thread in which I highlighted my annoyance with what was reported KEIOC had been saying at the shareholders meeting).

Its very very important that the message about working with the club on affordability, and affordable options is put out.

Certainly wasn't with the local press with those quotes. And it irks supporters like me.

Equally, we really want to see KEIOC if they're actually going to be going forward - actually working with the club, less ****ging off please. Kirkby's gone.


When I've talked about softly softly - KEIOC need to know that approaching something they may not agree with its not always appropriate to go like a "bull in a china shop". The Echo/Daily Post reports seemed to suggest they had.

Also. the club, shareholders, fans and the LCC.... all should be treated softly softly now by KEIOC.

Less stick. More carrot. That "affordability" quote in the original article read like someone stamping their feet because they couldn't get their own way..........

KEIOC should be attempting to improve their image, and a more softly softly approach would be better.

By all means keep the suggestions flowing and looking at the options.

Put them forward.

But less of the ****ging off of the club at the same time.

You're gonner have to work with those people.

Also think you should start developing a better relationship with Echo/Post ALONG with the club.

For a more unified message. As there is only so many times people will look at the Echo/Post websites and think "bloody hell" reading some of the quotes.

People may say "ooo not getting into bed with the people that run the club".

Thats their issue. Fact is KEIOC are going to have to work with the club even more if the stadium's going to be done.

And there is going to be need to compromise all round.

Sometime's I think KEIOC could learn, that there are times to be active and vocal and others to be passive. The "message" should have been at the shareholders meeting, these are merely ideas for the club to look at to get the ball rolling... even if they're dismissed, they're the first round of ideas.


Instead it got spun the wrong way (rightly? intentionally?)

KEIOC need to ensure the message is clear, and its a realistic message too, one that doesn't mean them and the club are conflicting publically. As more of this is (eventually) just going to piss the supporters off.

IMHO


Thanks Duckling for bringing some much needed info to the forum. Happier now have read your points.

CAN YOU PASS MINE ABOVE - onto KEIOC? cheers.

 

[davek]

How the **** has KEIOC become the story here?

Unbelievable.

D'you think Elstone would have given an update on his blog about where we're up to on the stadium if there hadn't been those couple of meetings co-ordinated by KEIOC? The club just want this to go away. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

How the **** has KEIOC become the story here?

Unbelievable.

D'you think Elstone would have given an update on his blog about where we're up to on the stadium if there hadn't been those couple of meetings co-ordinated by KEIOC? The club just want this to go away. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Struth.

I give up.

 

[Tom Hughes]

L.C.A.B. puts card right on table ;

I would never have gone to Kirkby , BUT , I also know someone whom - relatively early on - found K.E.I.O.C.- after being involved - a defo Closed - Shop , and would find merit in the whole ; them wanting to be seen as Evertonian #1 , 2 , 3 , etc .

Still , welcome Duckling , at least you had a go , lad .

There is perhaps a difference between being involved and being a member of the group who has a specific task... ie secretary, spokesperson, treasurer etc, and these number only a handfull of people. Many more have been involved since the campaign started and some original members can no longer give the same commitment for whatever reason (which is the nature of any voluntary group). Also, generally their meetings are open to all. I have been involved at various points since day 1, but I'm not a member and nor do I attend every meeting..... but I've never been turned away.

I don't think any of the current members call themselves the No.1 fans at all (despite their strong credentials, I might add), but there are certainly many involved who could be considered that in terms of their support, as they never miss any game, anywhere..... but I'm not sure fanaticism is an issue.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

How the **** has KEIOC become the story here?

Unbelievable.

D'you think Elstone would have given an update on his blog about where we're up to on the stadium if there hadn't been those couple of meetings co-ordinated by KEIOC? The club just want this to go away. Wake up and smell the coffee.

He did, prior the meetings.

4th Feb

BBC Sport - Football - Everton considering Goodison Park & new stadium options

"We've met with developers and land owners and we've commissioned a fresh look at Goodison Park with a highly recommended architect," said Elstone.
"I hope we are able to report progress in the near future."

Laughing at the thought of KEIOC instigating stadium action.

 

[BlackToffee]

How the **** has KEIOC become the story here?

Unbelievable.

D'you think Elstone would have given an update on his blog about where we're up to on the stadium if there hadn't been those couple of meetings co-ordinated by KEIOC? The club just want this to go away. Wake up and smell the coffee.

So keioc saves the world eh, Dave?

So it was keioc who co-ordinated the first Council / EFC meeting in January? Or is there a story to be told on the movers and shakers that got the ball rolling that we don't know about.

The ideas under discussion by the Council and EFC which we are told will be reported on soon are not keioc led or even keioc ideas (unless you know something we don't). Keioc have put in a sensible proposal for stadia development alongside a blue sky proposal. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think that this thread should be about keioc, but while you've clearly become a fanboy, many on this site simply don't trust them.

Not sure if its that hard to understand.

 

[davek]

He did, prior the meetings.

4th Feb

BBC Sport - Football - Everton considering Goodison Park & new stadium options

"We've met with developers and land owners and we've commissioned a fresh look at Goodison Park with a highly recommended architect," said Elstone.
"I hope we are able to report progress in the near future."

Laughing at the thought of KEIOC instigating stadium action.

Prompted into meetings by other parties.

I think from Elstone's last blog you can see exactly what's on Everton's owners minds re the stadium issue when he makes this statement: 'it's not about quantity it's about quality'. In other words, they'll do exactly what they said was the option pre DK decision when they were pushed on a Plan B if DK failed...to patch up and repair the ground. Coming soon to a ground near you: a free standing restaurant at the Park End to replace the tent. And that'll be your lot.

They are a busted flush. A rabble, panhandling private and public bodies with zero investment to offer themselves. They want to be attending events with innovative solutions to the stadium problem like they want swine flu.

 

[BlackToffee]

Much better info and its heartening to know that KEIOC... are thinking about affordability (see previous thread in which I highlighted my annoyance with what was reported KEIOC had been saying at the shareholders meeting).

Its very very important that the message about working with the club on affordability, and affordable options is put out.

Certainly wasn't with the local press with those quotes. And it irks supporters like me.

Equally, we really want to see KEIOC if they're actually going to be going forward - actually working with the club, less ****ging off please. Kirkby's gone.


When I've talked about softly softly - KEIOC need to know that approaching something they may not agree with its not always appropriate to go like a "bull in a china shop". The Echo/Daily Post reports seemed to suggest they had.

Also. the club, shareholders, fans and the LCC.... all should be treated softly softly now by KEIOC.

Less stick. More carrot. That "affordability" quote in the original article read like someone stamping their feet because they couldn't get their own way..........

KEIOC should be attempting to improve their image, and a more softly softly approach would be better.

By all means keep the suggestions flowing and looking at the options.

Put them forward.

But less of the ****ging off of the club at the same time.

You're gonner have to work with those people.

Also think you should start developing a better relationship with Echo/Post ALONG with the club.

For a more unified message. As there is only so many times people will look at the Echo/Post websites and think "bloody hell" reading some of the quotes.

People may say "ooo not getting into bed with the people that run the club".

Thats their issue. Fact is KEIOC are going to have to work with the club even more if the stadium's going to be done.

And there is going to be need to compromise all round.

Sometime's I think KEIOC could learn, that there are times to be active and vocal and others to be passive. The "message" should have been at the shareholders meeting, these are merely ideas for the club to look at to get the ball rolling... even if they're dismissed, they're the first round of ideas.


Instead it got spun the wrong way (rightly? intentionally?)

KEIOC need to ensure the message is clear, and its a realistic message too, one that doesn't mean them and the club are conflicting publically. As more of this is (eventually) just going to piss the supporters off.

IMHO


Thanks Duckling for bringing some much needed info to the forum. Happier now have read your points.

CAN YOU PASS MINE ABOVE - onto KEIOC? cheers.

Nail hit firmly on head for me. Great post.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Prompted into meetings by other parties.

I think from Elstone's last blog you can see exactly what's on Everton's owners minds re the stadium issue when he makes this statement: 'it's not about quantity it's about quality'. In other words, they'll do exactly what they said was the option pre DK decision when they were pushed on a Plan B if DK failed...to patch up and repair the ground. Coming soon to a ground near you: a free standing restaurant at the Park End to replace the tent. And that'll be your lot.

They are a busted flush. A rabble, panhandling private and public bodies with zero investment to offer themselves. They want to be attending events with innovative solutions to the stadium problem like they want swine flu.

Might not be a bad idea, based on a tried and tested formula by F&B's.

Bob'n'Bills
an Authentic Mersey Dining Experience

they could franchise this worldwide.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Prompted into meetings by other parties.

Might be worth remembering that the stadium has been smack bang top of the agenda for over ten years. Thats before KEIOC. It's been the number one issue for every chief exec since Dunford. In fact, heres Dunford answering questions on the issue ten years ago The EISA Meet Michael Dunford[FONT=&quot]

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[Neiler]

Prompted into meetings by other parties.

I think from Elstone's last blog you can see exactly what's on Everton's owners minds re the stadium issue when he makes this statement: 'it's not about quantity it's about quality'. In other words, they'll do exactly what they said was the option pre DK decision when they were pushed on a Plan B if DK failed...to patch up and repair the ground. Coming soon to a ground near you: a free standing restaurant at the Park End to replace the tent. And that'll be your lot.

They are a busted flush. A rabble, panhandling private and public bodies with zero investment to offer themselves. They want to be attending events with innovative solutions to the stadium problem like they want swine flu.

Reap what you sow to be honest!

I have little sympathy with anone who had a major problem with Kirby and then is irked buy the existing or minor infrastructure chages.