Hayee
Player Valuation: £40m
having a go at our top poster and a respected member isn't a good move mate. LOVE YOU CHICO x
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Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
I cant believe he hasnt even called him kenWRONG yet, very poor effort that, every blue bill basher has to do it at least once per post.
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It is one thing to voice your opinion, but this is taking it a bit far. It is the same thing in every thread with you, regardless of the topic. And now actually having a go at a forum member, which is why you have taken your leave.
If you tried to do it in a more courteous way, you would still be able to post.
Hayee
Player Valuation: £40m
cheers
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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keioc have spoken to nsno, so i've nicked it for here.......
Following Tuesday's story in the Liverpool Echo that the campaign group KEIOC had helped devise plans for a 'football quarter' in the hear of North Liverpool, NSNO wanted to know more details, with questions we believed our users would want answers to. So we spoke to Colin Fitzpatrick and got the lowdown.
NSNO were present at the meeting on Monday evening at which KEIOC revealed the plans, and look forward to being able to reproduce the fantastic imagery that was displayed on the night, which gave an insight into how the plans for the 'football quarter' could be built. The designs also showed how Goodison Park could be redeveloped in stages, with no drop in capacity, to a 56,000 seater arena.
The building work would be predominantly done outside the existing footprint of the current stands, meaning minimal work needed to demolish and finalise building, with the acquisition of just 38 more houses along the Bullens Road.
Mr Fitzpatrick described the plans as, “An area, centred around Stanley Park, designed to celebrate and embrace the world famous duopoly that not only spans the park but a heritage, spanning three separate centuries and five generations."
He added, "The Football Quarter is designed to maximise the commercial opportunities for the benefit of the clubs, the city and importantly the local communities.
"Both clubs will have their own stadia, designs that reflect their requirements; the Quarter area will contain educational, recreational, leisure and social amenities from which both clubs and the greater community will derive proportional benefit.”
Several other issues had been raised from the Echo story, so we asked a series of questions to try and resolve what, for some, have become massive mental blocks.
Without being specific, as I appreciate you’re presenting to the shareholders next week, how would each part of the development contribute financially?
There are two elements of the concept making contributions to the clubs coffers Simon; firstly the football quarter, the ongoing contributions could be derived from licensing and levies on the activities taking place in and around the Quarter, the proceeds being distributed, on a pro rata basis between the clubs, who act as anchors, and the Quarter operating company that is acting as the promoter and management company.
The second element is the stadium; for Everton the need or desire to follow the super stadium route is simply unnecessary, our fanbase and corporate resource would indicate an inability to successfully operate a 60,000 seat facility. Nor we believe the route to take is the basic, cost effective, dare I say affordable, route, which was what was being offered at Kirkby. I think you’ll agree, having seen the Kirkby proposal laid bare on Monday evening, this type of facility is totally unsuitable for a club of Everton’s stature and position in the premiership hierarchy. We advocate the construction of what we call a SMART stadium; that is a stadium that is designed to maximise the capability of delivering additional revenue on the 340 days of the year when football events aren’t taking place. Easy to say I accept but this in reality is the challenge that must be met in order for Everton to compete within its peer group.
What are any costings you have based on?
We specifically explained that the only costings were in the form of indications on “constructions of this type”. These broad costs being obtained from various parties including WCEC through Tom Hughes when discussing plans for redevelopment, phasing and construction methods to comply with the need for the club not to drop within specific capacities.
We met with Robert Elstone two days after the secretary of state announced his decision to reject Destination Kirkby; we explained our proposed concept; that we’d met several times with the council leaders and Tom Cannon in his capacity as a professor of business strategy at Liverpool University, that we had developed the football quarter concept with members of the spirit of shankly group and had presented them in the leaders office with all the aforementioned present agreeing that the council leader should meet with both clubs once the decision, on Kirkby, had taken place.
Moving forward we explained that we had all agreed that a feasibility study was the next logical step and we have been encouraged by Robert Elstone publically admitting that a feasibility study into the redevelopment of Goodison was needed.”
How flexible is each funding partner’s contribution?
We anticipate there will be three partners, the clubs and the operating company in which the council will have a stake. The Quarter should be a public private finance initiative led development whilst both clubs will be responsible for their own private funding; you will have seen the list we are putting forward; it makes the business plan for Kirkby look like it was written on the back of a *** packet.
Has LFC given any positive feedback?
Their CEO agreed to meet with Peter Mcgurk, an architect working with the Spirit of Shankly , the meeting is yet to be scheduled; Peter is an advocate of redeveloping Anfield; the beauty of the football quarter is that in either a new or redeveloped Anfield configuration the concept works. Christian Purslow has recently stated that he is yet to be convinced that Anfield can be developed to accommodate the requirements of the club, that it would be impossible to play a couple of seasons with just two stands whilst the others are being redeveloped; where have we heard that before?
Can you understand that some Everton fans may be shocked to find out that you have been meeting with SOS (Sons of Shankly)?
Yes, I can understand it, but once the results of why we have collaborated are judged only the most unreasonable would fail to see the benefit. Let’s be straight about something; we’re not all sitting there in purple shirts attending an Everpool and Liverton mutual appreciation society meeting; on the occasions we’ve met our opposite numbers we’ve spent the first ten minutes ripping into each others team then have got down to business. What is clear is there’s a significant amount of synergy between the groups and, from that synergy, the football quarter concept has developed, not for the benefit of the few but for the benefit of the many, the supporters of both clubs and the residents of North Liverpool who’ve spent decades listening to plans and promises yet have had objective one and the capital of culture pass them by.
Could this idea be a precursor to having the powers that be force a shared stadium on the clubs?
The fact is Simon is that this is a much better proposal than a shared stadium and will undoubtedly receive less opposition and more cross fan support; it embraces and celebrates the famous duopoly and history that you simply can’t buy; it initiates the redevelopment of not only Anfield and Walton but Kirkdale, Breckfield and beyond; more will come out over the next few weeks; you can print watch this space now Si!!!
Any timescales on the development?
Well the first stage is the feasibility study; this encompasses design, planning and financial information on which an informed decision can be made. Tom Cannon, having made some enquiries, understands that quite a large portion of the work has been done already by Liverpool University, having been asked previously to conduct a study on a shared stadium in the park.
Do you think the Everton and Liverpool managements will now listen more carefully to your groups?
Sadly no, it’s just the way it is; egotistical millionaire owners and highly paid executives simply can’t bring themselves to believe that a group of football fans would have the temerity to develop a greater grasp on matters than they have; that’s just the way it is, what we have to do is make sure whatever happens it’s for the benefit of the fans and the community around the stadia and beyond. Let’s hope I’m wrong and they’re magnanimous and big enough to sit down and discuss these proposals sensibly.
Following Tuesday's story in the Liverpool Echo that the campaign group KEIOC had helped devise plans for a 'football quarter' in the hear of North Liverpool, NSNO wanted to know more details, with questions we believed our users would want answers to. So we spoke to Colin Fitzpatrick and got the lowdown.
NSNO were present at the meeting on Monday evening at which KEIOC revealed the plans, and look forward to being able to reproduce the fantastic imagery that was displayed on the night, which gave an insight into how the plans for the 'football quarter' could be built. The designs also showed how Goodison Park could be redeveloped in stages, with no drop in capacity, to a 56,000 seater arena.
The building work would be predominantly done outside the existing footprint of the current stands, meaning minimal work needed to demolish and finalise building, with the acquisition of just 38 more houses along the Bullens Road.
Mr Fitzpatrick described the plans as, “An area, centred around Stanley Park, designed to celebrate and embrace the world famous duopoly that not only spans the park but a heritage, spanning three separate centuries and five generations."
He added, "The Football Quarter is designed to maximise the commercial opportunities for the benefit of the clubs, the city and importantly the local communities.
"Both clubs will have their own stadia, designs that reflect their requirements; the Quarter area will contain educational, recreational, leisure and social amenities from which both clubs and the greater community will derive proportional benefit.”
Several other issues had been raised from the Echo story, so we asked a series of questions to try and resolve what, for some, have become massive mental blocks.
Without being specific, as I appreciate you’re presenting to the shareholders next week, how would each part of the development contribute financially?
There are two elements of the concept making contributions to the clubs coffers Simon; firstly the football quarter, the ongoing contributions could be derived from licensing and levies on the activities taking place in and around the Quarter, the proceeds being distributed, on a pro rata basis between the clubs, who act as anchors, and the Quarter operating company that is acting as the promoter and management company.
The second element is the stadium; for Everton the need or desire to follow the super stadium route is simply unnecessary, our fanbase and corporate resource would indicate an inability to successfully operate a 60,000 seat facility. Nor we believe the route to take is the basic, cost effective, dare I say affordable, route, which was what was being offered at Kirkby. I think you’ll agree, having seen the Kirkby proposal laid bare on Monday evening, this type of facility is totally unsuitable for a club of Everton’s stature and position in the premiership hierarchy. We advocate the construction of what we call a SMART stadium; that is a stadium that is designed to maximise the capability of delivering additional revenue on the 340 days of the year when football events aren’t taking place. Easy to say I accept but this in reality is the challenge that must be met in order for Everton to compete within its peer group.
What are any costings you have based on?
We specifically explained that the only costings were in the form of indications on “constructions of this type”. These broad costs being obtained from various parties including WCEC through Tom Hughes when discussing plans for redevelopment, phasing and construction methods to comply with the need for the club not to drop within specific capacities.
We met with Robert Elstone two days after the secretary of state announced his decision to reject Destination Kirkby; we explained our proposed concept; that we’d met several times with the council leaders and Tom Cannon in his capacity as a professor of business strategy at Liverpool University, that we had developed the football quarter concept with members of the spirit of shankly group and had presented them in the leaders office with all the aforementioned present agreeing that the council leader should meet with both clubs once the decision, on Kirkby, had taken place.
Moving forward we explained that we had all agreed that a feasibility study was the next logical step and we have been encouraged by Robert Elstone publically admitting that a feasibility study into the redevelopment of Goodison was needed.”
How flexible is each funding partner’s contribution?
We anticipate there will be three partners, the clubs and the operating company in which the council will have a stake. The Quarter should be a public private finance initiative led development whilst both clubs will be responsible for their own private funding; you will have seen the list we are putting forward; it makes the business plan for Kirkby look like it was written on the back of a *** packet.
Has LFC given any positive feedback?
Their CEO agreed to meet with Peter Mcgurk, an architect working with the Spirit of Shankly , the meeting is yet to be scheduled; Peter is an advocate of redeveloping Anfield; the beauty of the football quarter is that in either a new or redeveloped Anfield configuration the concept works. Christian Purslow has recently stated that he is yet to be convinced that Anfield can be developed to accommodate the requirements of the club, that it would be impossible to play a couple of seasons with just two stands whilst the others are being redeveloped; where have we heard that before?
Can you understand that some Everton fans may be shocked to find out that you have been meeting with SOS (Sons of Shankly)?
Yes, I can understand it, but once the results of why we have collaborated are judged only the most unreasonable would fail to see the benefit. Let’s be straight about something; we’re not all sitting there in purple shirts attending an Everpool and Liverton mutual appreciation society meeting; on the occasions we’ve met our opposite numbers we’ve spent the first ten minutes ripping into each others team then have got down to business. What is clear is there’s a significant amount of synergy between the groups and, from that synergy, the football quarter concept has developed, not for the benefit of the few but for the benefit of the many, the supporters of both clubs and the residents of North Liverpool who’ve spent decades listening to plans and promises yet have had objective one and the capital of culture pass them by.
Could this idea be a precursor to having the powers that be force a shared stadium on the clubs?
The fact is Simon is that this is a much better proposal than a shared stadium and will undoubtedly receive less opposition and more cross fan support; it embraces and celebrates the famous duopoly and history that you simply can’t buy; it initiates the redevelopment of not only Anfield and Walton but Kirkdale, Breckfield and beyond; more will come out over the next few weeks; you can print watch this space now Si!!!
Any timescales on the development?
Well the first stage is the feasibility study; this encompasses design, planning and financial information on which an informed decision can be made. Tom Cannon, having made some enquiries, understands that quite a large portion of the work has been done already by Liverpool University, having been asked previously to conduct a study on a shared stadium in the park.
Do you think the Everton and Liverpool managements will now listen more carefully to your groups?
Sadly no, it’s just the way it is; egotistical millionaire owners and highly paid executives simply can’t bring themselves to believe that a group of football fans would have the temerity to develop a greater grasp on matters than they have; that’s just the way it is, what we have to do is make sure whatever happens it’s for the benefit of the fans and the community around the stadia and beyond. Let’s hope I’m wrong and they’re magnanimous and big enough to sit down and discuss these proposals sensibly.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Thanks Reidy, good read that.
It's a great idea, no question. The plan, sadly, rests on getting not only two clubs sorted out off the pitch, but also getting local politcians/quangos/business partners all singing from the same hymn sheet. Not impossible, but improbable. That was the one and only beauty of the otherwise lamentable Kirkby fiasco: there you had a single entity in the shape of Tesco with the ability to swing everything in motion. If they'd have been less greedy about the size of the development then it would have come off. Thank **** they are so greedy.
It's a great idea, no question. The plan, sadly, rests on getting not only two clubs sorted out off the pitch, but also getting local politcians/quangos/business partners all singing from the same hymn sheet. Not impossible, but improbable. That was the one and only beauty of the otherwise lamentable Kirkby fiasco: there you had a single entity in the shape of Tesco with the ability to swing everything in motion. If they'd have been less greedy about the size of the development then it would have come off. Thank **** they are so greedy.
Robert Jarvis
Player Valuation: £35m
So whats the way forward Dave???????:blink:
I try to marvel at their resourcefulness but these parts make me laugh.
That's hardly incentive for the club to sit down with comments like that really.
Like I said, Jordan without the tits.
Laughing here, you're boss.
Do you check the milk in the morning to make sure it isn't poison you bad beaut?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I think most people would like to see an investor coming into the club who bankrolls spending on the squad and we develop GP on a piecemeal basis related to success on the pitch and in conjunction with LCC offering space. Elstone's promise to look at GP redevelopment is welcome....but the above scenario requires the club being put up for sale.
davek is at his spinning best here, a marvel to watch in full flow.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Genuinely baffled here. Bemused even. Just 'telling it like it is...keepin it real'.
Genuinely baffled here. Bemused even. Just 'telling it like it is...keepin it real'.
Our players and coaching staff have world class facilities for training, and you look for the negative angle.
I'll link you some Notts County stuff if you want, you ignored all the rest you absolute monster, that was me trying to be all dead clever.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
FF is a good facility. We used to own it...now we lease it from a private company. Some people would see that as a neat trick. But it's the same principle as not actually owning a player's contract, but hiring a player from an agent like Joorabchian. It's not a club asset.
In the true meaning of the phrase, it most certainly is.
Would you prefer us still in an ageing Bellefield?
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