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Kevin Thelwell - New Director of Football

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Nail on the head. I think too many people fall into the binary camp - it's one or the other. Brands wasn't perfect, but it appears his position wasn't help.

It's a sign of the disarray behind the scenes.
Yup, any idiot knows that Moshiri and Kenwright are the problems at Everton, but I really don't understand why people are so keen to defend Marcel Brands. I mean, we know he was in a very dysfunctional environment, but he signed up to that twice - only once innocently. Of course, it might be something to do with the fact that some were quick to put Brands on a pedestal when he arrived, so perhaps there's that.

But yeah, Kenwright and Moshiri is where it's at. But nobody needs to swallow the self-serving propaganda coming out of Eindhoven like gullible fools.

In the current environment, Everton don't need a director of football because he won't be allowed to do his job. Thelwell, unlike Brands to some extent, definitely knows what he is walking into. He'll get no honeymoon as a result of that. And he'll be yet another fall guy who gets very rich being scapegoated.
 
The Rolls Royce comment isn't new - it was public at the time. A search on Google will find loads of articles.

I'm not saying Farhad Moshiri is infallible here, I'm saying Marcel Brands isn't.

Moshiri admitted his mistakes in his last update to fans, Brands is just looking to deflect.

I said it loads on here over the years and elsewhere that if it is true that Moshiri is meddling to the point of Brands being unable to do his job - then Brands as DOF should have the integrity to resign.

He didn't - he accepted promotion to the board, and much later down the line renewed his contract.

When you do that, you lose the right to shift blame to others.

I would say if Brands is doing lip service then it's even worse than just having a meddling owner - no DOF has complete autonomy - they all have a boss and all work in coalition with managers etc.

What's done is done - the record, and how backwards we went under Brands is clear for all to see.

What did Brands do well at Everton? If he had some of that, he wouldn't feel the need to deflect and blame to save face.

Mindful we're moving away from Kevin Thelwell mind...
With regards to deflection, perhaps he is. You're also right about the potential integrity and credibility issues with his contract renewal and whatnot.

However, it's very easy from outside to say someone should walk away from their job and role. Would walking away be itself be question? A failure?

If you'd been in a role where you were undermined and your credibility shot away through (partly) other people's issues, would you not feel aggrieved?

Some may say as he's trying to blame and deflect, which could be partly true, but to some extent he may be wanting to right wrongs that could have occurred.

In terms of Thelwell, you're obviously the boss of the place and judge what's relevant or not, however I do feel there's enough relevance here.

The proof will be in the pudding of course, yet I think people will be concerned how much freedom and support he'll receive when we have an meddling owner.

He's also having to do a job that is far more heavily constrained because of the failures of Moshiri, Brands and others. That's a real concern for me.

My 2 pence is: Brands didn't do a good job although I don't fully blame him nor do I blame him for saying stuff now. Let's hope Moshiri doesn't act like that again.
 
What is that saying about a fish rotting from the head down. In the case of Everton FC it is correct. We have managed to turn ourselves into a relegation type club who has to sell our best players to avoid falling foul of FFP. The only positive thing we have going for us is a new stadium and let’s be honest that was a long time coming and as it hasn’t been delivered as yet there is still time for the owner and board to stuff that one up.
We need changes at the top, people need to be held accountable for the roles they have played over the last six years. We need to bring in proper business acumen, the owner/board appear to be sitting on their hands hoping something turns up. It appears to me that they think they just have to appoint a manager and then sit back and wait to see what happens. I had hoped the review of the club would lead to major changes of both personnel and in attitude but it seems it has resulted in a bit of window dressing.
The club’s communication strategy is disgrace, they are more than happy to take hard earned money from supporters but the treat them with utter contempt. We are a club that seems to always be surrounded in chaos and rumours. The latest takeover talks is an example, we don’t need to know the details but if the club is in negotiations to be sold then surely the people who make the club what it is have a right to know and if those talks have now broken down then say so.
 

“I had to talk like a mad man to keep Ancelotti in the saddle, but in the end, he left for Real Madrid because he felt the support of the owners was not there.”

Ha ha ha I can't believe some people take this moron seriously! He is an utter charlatan.
 

“I had to talk like a mad man to keep Ancelotti in the saddle, but in the end, he left for Real Madrid because he felt the support of the owners was not there.”

Ha ha ha I can't believe some people take this moron seriously! He is an utter charlatan.
I dont understand what he gains from lying?

He has a job at PSV for the rest of his career, he has no need for bigging himself up.
 
“I had to talk like a mad man to keep Ancelotti in the saddle, but in the end, he left for Real Madrid because he felt the support of the owners was not there.”

Ha ha ha I can't believe some people take this moron seriously! He is an utter charlatan.
I really think the Ancelotti thing is extremely simple. He got asked to manage Real Madrid and he liked the idea of that. And now he has another Champions League.

Nothing would have changed that. We dont compete with Real Madrid.
 
I dont understand what he gains from lying?

He has a job at PSV for the rest of his career, he has no need for bigging himself up.
Who knows, but trying to make out that he was the one fighting for Ancelotti to stay and it was because of Moshiri that he left is just ridiculous. Carlo was leaving us for Madrid even if we gave him £200m to spend. It's utter nonsense from Brands.
 
I really think the Ancelotti thing is extremely simple. He got asked to manage Real Madrid and he liked the idea of that. And now he has another Champions League.

Nothing would have changed that. We dont compete with Real Madrid.
Totally agree, and I don't blame him at all. But Brands carrying on that he was fighting for Carlo to stay and the only reason he left was a lack of support from Moshiri is beyond laughable.
 

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