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2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

Zatara said:
Media reports today mentioning Ashworth & Paratici (who would be available in the summer) as possible Thelwell replacements.
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My mates a Newcastle fan and doesn't rate him highly and he didn't exactly have a great window for United either.
Thelwell has identified decent targets in the past, Diaz, Kudus, Minteh to name a few, he's just never had the funds to get them over the line. I'd rather see what he can do when he's not got both hands tied behind his back.
 
efcste97 said:
I’d keep him over Ashworth, who’s likely to push for his mate Southgate to come in. As others have pointed out, he’s identified quality players in the past—we just weren’t in a position to seriously pursue those signings.
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Apparently it was his choice of manager after ETH sacking that did him at Utd.

His choices where Southgate, Howe and Potter. He lost the power play.
 
Neiler said:
Apparently it was his choice of manager after ETH sacking that did him at Utd.

His choices where Southgate, Howe and Potter. He lost the power play.
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Bit of a common link with those three - trying to push his own agenda regarding English managers getting recognised jobs. That said, is there any evidence on paper and past experience that Amorim is any better.

I think we have seen, what Brighton have achieved can not all be down to Ashworth, as was often once cited and it is vastly different working for the FA than a Premier League club.

I know I am in the minority, but I think Thelwell has done ok in really difficult circumstances to deliver the job he has (and probably so much more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about) - so I am not convinced Ashworth is a step-up and I would like to see Thelwell given at least one year with decent ownership and governance in place.
 
ganistuk said:
Bit of a common link with those three - trying to push his own agenda regarding English managers getting recognised jobs. That said, is there any evidence on paper and past experience that Amorim is any better.

I think we have seen, what Brighton have achieved can not all be down to Ashworth, as was often once cited and it is vastly different working for the FA than a Premier League club.

I know I am in the minority, but I think Thelwell has done ok in really difficult circumstances to deliver the job he has (and probably so much more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about) - so I am not convinced Ashworth is a step-up and I would like to see Thelwell given at least one year with decent ownership and governance in place.
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Agreed, Maupay was a poor signing but I can't help but think that Beto would be better under a different manager. Same with O'Brien who is still young and in truth most of these signing were not first choice to begin with, they were the only ones we could afford with the financial constraints in place.
 

ganistuk said:
Bit of a common link with those three - trying to push his own agenda regarding English managers getting recognised jobs. That said, is there any evidence on paper and past experience that Amorim is any better.

I think we have seen, what Brighton have achieved can not all be down to Ashworth, as was often once cited and it is vastly different working for the FA than a Premier League club.

I know I am in the minority, but I think Thelwell has done ok in really difficult circumstances to deliver the job he has (and probably so much more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about) - so I am not convinced Ashworth is a step-up and I would like to see Thelwell given at least one year with decent ownership and governance in place.
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Agreed mate. Apprently Ineos, wanted someone with Charisma to carry the club, with the right media profile but had a designated "game identity". Ashworth brought the three imentioned and the CEO brought Amorim. The CEO won the power play. The scorthed earth from the INEOS point of view, was they were very uninspired with Ashroths picks and also summer recruitments choices - not only the ones signed. Once he essentially lost the power play and his employers faith his position was untenable. Equally ive also heard that Brighton had a low enough threshold for moving him on as they wanted to go down a more data led route and he probably despite popular opinion isn't really known in the game for a data led approach.

I agree on Thelwell, i think its very hard to judge anyone at the club objectively within the limits that have been placed.
 
WelshBlue92 said:
My mates a Newcastle fan and doesn't rate him highly and he didn't exactly have a great window for United either.
Thelwell has identified decent targets in the past, Diaz, Kudus, Minteh to name a few, he's just never had the funds to get them over the line. I'd rather see what he can do when he's not got both hands tied behind his back.
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efcste97 said:
I’d keep him over Ashworth, who’s likely to push for his mate Southgate to come in. As others have pointed out, he’s identified quality players in the past—we just weren’t in a position to seriously pursue those signings.
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ganistuk said:
Bit of a common link with those three - trying to push his own agenda regarding English managers getting recognised jobs. That said, is there any evidence on paper and past experience that Amorim is any better.

I think we have seen, what Brighton have achieved can not all be down to Ashworth, as was often once cited and it is vastly different working for the FA than a Premier League club.

I know I am in the minority, but I think Thelwell has done ok in really difficult circumstances to deliver the job he has (and probably so much more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about) - so I am not convinced Ashworth is a step-up and I would like to see Thelwell given at least one year with decent ownership and governance in place.
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I'd offer Thelwell a 3year extension.

Ashworth could jump ship at the drop of a hat & Paratici is somewhat of an unknown quantity due to his misdemeanours.
 
Groucho said:
Has done a good job reducing the wage bill and keeping us going while under immense financial constraints.

A signing like N’Diaye for example too. Was he behind Branthwaite? Tarkowski?
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Ndiaye & Tarkowski yes and i think he moved players out like Mina & Coady to create space for Branthwaite.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Onana was a good profit.

I think Iroegbunam could turn out to be a good player.

Chermiti who knows far too early

Players like Garner Tarkowski Ndiaye and McNeil have stabilised us on low wages.

Beto and Maupay big disappointments.

He’s done well to shift Iwobi Godfrey for some decent fees.

Not been a brilliant job, not been a terrible job in my view. Had some pretty rubbish conditions to operate in.
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Have you seen how good Iwobi was for us and even better for Fulham?
 
Groucho said:
Has done a good job reducing the wage bill and keeping us going while under immense financial constraints.

A signing like N’Diaye for example too. Was he behind Branthwaite? Tarkowski?
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For me, this years accounts will show Thelwell for the work he has done. Been here long enough that these are his numbers now.

22/23 was out of his hands as was appointed in the feb.
23/24 is all him. Knowing the accounts from the previous years and sizes of breach etc. While debts etc aren’t his fault, he needs to have balanced it where he can within the wages/transfers.
 
Marius57 said:
For me, this years accounts will show Thelwell for the work he has done. Been here long enough that these are his numbers now.

22/23 was out of his hands as was appointed in the feb.
23/24 is all him. Knowing the accounts from the previous years and sizes of breach etc. While debts etc aren’t his fault, he needs to have balanced it where he can within the wages/transfers.
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Be surprised if its not a 50+ mill odd loss mate.
 

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