davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Allardyce was recently making noises about looking at what he has available in the whole squad. If he's serious about that...
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The kid is doing great where he is. Let him finish the season.
Jan to May playing every game in the Championship.
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Jan to May potentially getting the last 10 mins of games if any in the PL.
Hmm tough choice...
vs
Jan to May potentially getting the last 10 mins of games if any in the PL.
Hmm tough choice...
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Bolasie/Mirallas - rubbish
Lennon - no threat
Sigurdsson/Dowell/Vlasic - better centrally
Lookman - Needs to work on his defending
Henry - Unknown
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
This is one potential lineup I'd like to see next year. Not every game, but would be balanced, yet attacking. With Dowell coming in from the left with his left wand, and Kenny getting forward more putting in crosses, we'd be very dangerous on the right. Move Siggy more centrally, and have pace on the left in spades with a combo of Seamus (moving to LB) and Bolasie/Lookman ahead. Rooney deeper pulling the strings, and Gana running down literally everything.
jolteon101
Player Valuation: £1m
I rate Bolaise and Lennon but both split opinions so no point in arguing those two I don't think.
I like to see Siggy and Dowell drifting centrally from out wide so maybe that's what you meant by better centrally? Apologies if I'm wrong.
Ive never understood the shouts to play Vlasic centrally, he's literally never played a good game for us there.
The rest I agree with entirely.
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
Saw a conversation that Lampard and Ferdinand were having, and they talked a lot about young players moving up and that when they were young, the first thing that hit them was the standard that was necessary, and they knew they needed to up their game if they were going to make it. They said some lads just can't or don't, but the ones who do benefit from being around experienced professionals.
I'm not saying the loan hasn't had some benefit for Dowell. However saying that there is no benefit to Dowell training with the first team and fighting for a place has no benefits over a loan is just not true.
He's clearly a cut above at Championship level, even Forest fans admit that. So the question I pose is would Dowell be better served training with Wayne Rooney and Gylfi Siggurdson every day and mastering his craft alongside them, or being the best player on a mid-table Championship team? My gut is at this point he'd be better here. At some point you have to challenge the lad. Look at the improvement DCL has made being in the first team. If we'd had a more established striker, he could have easily been a loan candidate, but he's improved leaps and bounds by actually training with top players, and by actually playing. There's no substitute for match time in the Prem. If you think a lad has the ability you have to push the envelope with them. Dowell is 20 not 17.
I'm not saying the loan hasn't had some benefit for Dowell. However saying that there is no benefit to Dowell training with the first team and fighting for a place has no benefits over a loan is just not true.
He's clearly a cut above at Championship level, even Forest fans admit that. So the question I pose is would Dowell be better served training with Wayne Rooney and Gylfi Siggurdson every day and mastering his craft alongside them, or being the best player on a mid-table Championship team? My gut is at this point he'd be better here. At some point you have to challenge the lad. Look at the improvement DCL has made being in the first team. If we'd had a more established striker, he could have easily been a loan candidate, but he's improved leaps and bounds by actually training with top players, and by actually playing. There's no substitute for match time in the Prem. If you think a lad has the ability you have to push the envelope with them. Dowell is 20 not 17.
With Rooney and Dowell ahead of Kenny I think we would be defensively weak down that side.
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
Dowell has played wide right his entire career. Eventually he'll move inside to a pure #10, but if the Everton renaissance has proven anything it's make things simple, give players a job to do and let them do it. Dowell's ability to cut inside and shoot or play beautiful balls into the box are a cut above anything even we have at the moment. he's basically a young Siggy in that respect. If he can learn to emulate Siggy in the work rate department, the sky is the limit.
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
Move Gana over then. In reality it would end up being more like a 4-1-1-3-1 with Rooney getting up the pitch and Gana staying back to clean up. Kenny has proven to me he can handle himself defensively, and with Holgate next to him you've got two young pair of legs to cover a lot of ground.
ijjysmith
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Interesting point actually. I think there's a lot or pros and cons for either.
Obviously training with Wayne Rooney each day is going to be waaaay more beneficial than Jamie sodding Ward, or Liam bloody Bridcutt!
But the flip is he's playing week in week out in a league that is notoriously tough, and he's doing pretty well in it. That, for me, is better than not playing games at Everton...for now.
Dowell is 20 not 17. Another good point. But he's not 23 either. 20 still feels pretty young to me.
I think i'm happy where he is for now. The 'for now' is important to note.
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
There are points to be made on both sides I agree. At the end of the day, if he stays and excels the rest of the season, I'm happy. But he has to be in the squad next year. No more loans.
ijjysmith
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Depends on a few things for me. Even including who we bring in in the mean time. Currently he wouldn't get in in front of SigFace or Rooney as number 10's. So gametime would still be limited.
If he does have another loan i'd want it to be at a promotion chasing team. I'd love to see how he'd be getting on in this Wolves side for example.
I'm not averse to another loan for him at all. But it would be the last one.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £70m
The idea of Siggy and Dowell cutting in from the wings with Vlasic behind the striker makes me salivate a little. Might leave the wing backs a little exposed, but Wayne will clear any danger with an 80 yard assist to Dominic Calvert-Fellaini
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