Koeman: "Barkley looking for a new challenge"

[Old Blue 2]

Be under no illusions, replacing Lukaku and Barkley is a massive task. Koeman is changing the way the team will play as a result, but their loss will be massive. Barkley has his faults, no doubt, but he also has skills. Him leaving will be wrong for both parties. He will never make a deep holding midfielder at the spuds.

I'm not disputing he has skills. I've said that. Read my posts. He has lacked consistency across the season, when others of lesser ability have applied themselves to the Everton cause far better than he has. And there is simply no excuse for that, being at that level. As I put in a previous post, he was given the 'heads-up' at the start of last season, but clearly did not take it on board. It is frankly a disgrace that someone with his ability will not apply himself as he should. That's why the goofy Geordie from across the park is in the England set-up and not him. And Lallana as well. Both have nowhere near his ability, but they will pull their guts out for 90 minutes, whatever the cause. I do not see that, nor do I believe I will ever see it, in Barkley. If he doesn't like the Manager telling him what he needs to do, then the fault lies with the player, not the Manager...

 

[bicycleheader]

Stamped his feet VERY loudly after last summer and it seemed to have an effect. I think he needs reining in, but the problem is we have a weak officer corp at the club and an owner who looks at the money being spent as just cash derived from player sales and shrugs and leaves him to it.

For me you need some quality control there that only a proper DoF (not a glorified scout who is a yes man) can exert.

You never cease to amaze me with your ability to gather scraps of info, stir them up into some unbreakable logic and then come on here positing them as unarguably obvious facts.

Do you ever just admit to not knowing what the hell is going on? I don't think it's necessary to take such a bloody-minded stance on all topics at all times.

Anyways. Carry on Daveing

 

[bluestevon]

Dave, you do know that from 2014 until 2016 - the recruitment was done by Mitchell, not Levy, surprisingly most of the very very good deals spurs got over the line came during that time, Mitchell resigned in august last season due to Levy sticking his nose into player recruitment and meddling about fees etc - last deal he did was apparently the Wanyama one, since they placed him on gardening leave they bought Janseen and Sissoko.

Mitchell btw was the guy who worked in a player recruitment role at Saints for Pocch as well and followed him to Spurs.

Son, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Trippier, Davies, Alli, Dier brought in for roughly 70-75m

He was brought in after Spurs spunked 100m+ up the wall after the sale of Bale, people brought in by Levy, including lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Capaou, Chireches, and after he left they brought in Sissoko and Janssen.


Levy much like Kenwright has a reputation for getting the most for players he sells, but his record at buying players is absolutely awful by and large (as evidenced by pretty much 7 of the spurs starting 11 will be players brought in by Mitchell or who came through the academy.

Spurs Wembley move and the evidence of Levy/Pocch in buying players without Mitchell is a worry for spurs fans

 

[bluestevon]

Lol.

No. The club let this get into a position where he'll leave for next to nothing and all because they failed to exert financial discipline over its manager.

Alderweireld from Spurs has a 25m buyout in his contract, he so far has been refusing all new deals and this week said there is no movement on a new deal, he's got 2 years left, and they will sell him rather than let him walk mate

At United, Herrera is in the last 12 months of his contract as well.

It happens, hell it happened with Barkley before he signed this current contract - where he ran it into his last year before re-signing

 

[davek]

Dave, you do know that from 2014 until 2016 - the recruitment was done by Mitchell, not Levy, surprisingly most of the very very good deals spurs got over the line came during that time, Mitchell resigned in august last season due to Levy sticking his nose into player recruitment and meddling about fees etc - last deal he did was apparently the Wanyama one, since they placed him on gardening leave they bought Janseen and Sissoko.

Mitchell btw was the guy who worked in a player recruitment role at Saints for Pocch as well and followed him to Spurs.

Son, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Trippier, Davies, Alli, Dier brought in for roughly 70-75m

He was brought in after Spurs spunked 100m+ up the wall after the sale of Bale, people brought in by Levy, including lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Capaou, Chireches, and after he left they brought in Sissoko and Janssen.


Levy much like Kenwright has a reputation for getting the most for players he sells, but his record at buying players is absolutely awful by and large (as evidenced by pretty much 7 of the spurs starting 11 will be players brought in by Mitchell or who came through the academy.

Spurs Wembley move and the evidence of Levy/Pocch in buying players without Mitchell is a worry for spurs fans

I know nothing of his recruitment policy. I was just underlining that on these couple of deals (Barkley and Sigurdsson) Everton are getting the run around and he and his organisation will be the main beneficiaries of it.

 

[Thomasc]

I know nothing of his recruitment policy. I was just underlining that on these couple of deals (Barkley and Sigurdsson) Everton are getting the run around and he and his organisation will be the main beneficiaries of it.

Jesus, we have something he isn't a self confessed expert on.

 

[davek]

Alderweireld from Spurs has a 25m buyout in his contract, he so far has been refusing all new deals and this week said there is no movement on a new deal, he's got 2 years left, and they will sell him rather than let him walk mate

At United, Herrera is in the last 12 months of his contract as well.

It happens, hell it happened with Barkley before he signed this current contract - where he ran it into his last year before re-signing

It happens...but that doesn't mean it HAS to happen.

When it does it's someone's failure. And Alderweireld and Herrera aren't local lads who support their current clubs, so there's less of a hold on them.

That lad Barkley should have been kept onside and a new contract sorted out. It takes diplomacy to ensure that happens. Sadly I see a club that does its talking in the media these days instead of keeping it in-house.

 

[kenada_blue]

I'm not disputing he has skills. I've said that. Read my posts. He has lacked consistency across the season, when others of lesser ability have applied themselves to the Everton cause far better than he has. And there is simply no excuse for that, being at that level. As I put in a previous post, he was given the 'heads-up' at the start of last season, but clearly did not take it on board. It is frankly a disgrace that someone with his ability will not apply himself as he should. That's why the goofy Geordie from across the park is in the England set-up and not him. And Lallana as well. Both have nowhere near his ability, but they will pull their guts out for 90 minutes, whatever the cause. I do not see that, nor do I believe I will ever see it, in Barkley. If he doesn't like the Manager telling him what he needs to do, then the fault lies with the player, not the Manager...

And get knocked out of any meaningful competition.

 

[bluestevon]

It happens...but that doesn't mean it HAS to happen.

When it does it's someone's failure. And Alderweireld and Herrera aren't local lads who support their current clubs, so there's less of a hold on them.

That lad Barkley should have been kept onside and a new contract sorted out. It takes diplomacy to ensure that happens. Sadly I see a club that does its talking in the media these days instead of keeping it in-house.

Dave - one question, why in all your posts do you not even acknowledge that Barkley leaving may have a hell of a lot to do with stuff that has happened outside of football in his personal life?

There is a hell of a lot to support the fact that life is far from comfortable for him going forwards if he stays in the City

 

[bicycleheader]

And get knocked out of any meaningful competition.

It's bloody weird using the "doesn't or does get picked for England" argument in this day and age. Means very very little

 

[roydo]

Dave - one question, why in all your posts do you not even acknowledge that Barkley leaving may have a hell of a lot to do with stuff that has happened outside of football in his personal life?

There is a hell of a lot to support the fact that life is far from comfortable for him going forwards if he stays in the City

Because everything is Koemans fault.

 

[bluestevon]

I know nothing of his recruitment policy. I was just underlining that on these couple of deals (Barkley and Sigurdsson) Everton are getting the run around and he and his organisation will be the main beneficiaries of it.

re, Sigurdsson - i wouldn't give Levy any credit at all about Sigurdsson mate, he agreed to the sale of a player that his new manager is on record as stating that had the deal not already been arranged shortly before he was hired that he would have done everything to have kept him.

and seeing what Pocch likes in players and what Sigurdsson does - it's not exactly a stretch to say he would have become an integral part of this spurs side had the manager gotten his way.

As for us overpaying, take a look around the league mate, everyone is overpaying and the ones who aren't are basically doing nothing (spurs for example)

 

[Old Blue 2]

And get knocked out of any meaningful competition.

At least they make the squad/team, which is more than can be said of Barkley in recent times...

 

[NSNO_Phil_1878]

Watch these highlights from Martínez first game when Barkley scored that screamer on YouTube, his performance that day was superb. I wish we could have THAT Barkley back again, what happened Ross?

 

[matty1878]

This is just so so so odd.