Koeman: "Barkley looking for a new challenge"

[kenada_blue]

It's bloody weird using the "doesn't or does get picked for England" argument in this day and age. Means very very little

It's a void argument to use

 

[bluestevon]

Because everything is Koemans fault.

Which is a shame, because @davek is an intelligent bloke, and when he wishes too can post a fair bit of sense, but just completely ignoring a huge part of the situation - makes him come across - and rightly so as driving an agenda and using selective parts to fuel that

 

[bluestevon]

Watch these highlights from Martínez first game when Barkley scored that screamer on YouTube, his performance that day was superb. I wish we could have THAT Barkley back again, what happened Ross?

still think for whatever reason he spent WAY too much time after that in the gym and bulked up far far too much, lost a lot of his zip and acceleration

 

[roydo]

Which is a shame, because @davek is an intelligent bloke, and when he wishes too can post a fair bit of sense, but just completely ignoring a huge part of the situation - makes him come across - and rightly so as driving an agenda and using selective parts to fuel that

Aye. He takes a stance at the wicket, and nothing will shift him. In some ways its an admirable trait, but one that eventually becomes just daft.

 

[kenada_blue]

Watch these highlights from Martínez first game when Barkley scored that screamer on YouTube, his performance that day was superb. I wish we could have THAT Barkley back again, what happened Ross?

His had a better impact, goals, assists, and controlled attacks 2 seasons later.

He's a better player now. Back then he was a fresh unknown in a side given the freedom to attack and play football.

 

[bicycleheader]

Which is a shame, because @davek is an intelligent bloke, and when he wishes too can post a fair bit of sense, but just completely ignoring a huge part of the situation - makes him come across - and rightly so as driving an agenda and using selective parts to fuel that

A defection argument is incoming or laughing off of your point with something like...

....Koeman comes in, 12mths later the player he kept blabbing on about is out the door. Yes, the real reason is gangsters lol...

You can copy and paste that if you want @davek

 

[bluestevon]

Aye. He takes a stance at the wicket, and nothing will shift him. In some ways its an admirable trait, but one that eventually becomes just daft.

and self defeating, because it becomes that tiresome, that any of his posts that contain substance just get blanked because of the sheer volume of prior tosh

 

[bicycleheader]

and self defeating, because it becomes that tiresome, that any of his posts that contain substance just get blanked because of the sheer volume of prior tosh

Have long said he needs an editor! Or content manager

 

[marnie]

He wants out of the city, has nothing to do with club, some have said on here.

 

[davek]

Dave - one question, why in all your posts do you not even acknowledge that Barkley leaving may have a hell of a lot to do with stuff that has happened outside of football in his personal life?

There is a hell of a lot to support the fact that life is far from comfortable for him going forwards if he stays in the City

Because it's tittle tattle and best left to the BS artists who frequent twitter.

 

[Doolstar70]

I'm not disputing he has skills. I've said that. Read my posts. He has lacked consistency across the season, when others of lesser ability have applied themselves to the Everton cause far better than he has. And there is simply no excuse for that, being at that level. As I put in a previous post, he was given the 'heads-up' at the start of last season, but clearly did not take it on board. It is frankly a disgrace that someone with his ability will not apply himself as he should. That's why the goofy Geordie from across the park is in the England set-up and not him. And Lallana as well. Both have nowhere near his ability, but they will pull their guts out for 90 minutes, whatever the cause. I do not see that, nor do I believe I will ever see it, in Barkley. If he doesn't like the Manager telling him what he needs to do, then the fault lies with the player, not the Manager...

Can't disagree with any of that, but even with the faults he offers us something different and he may make a competitor better.

 

[jceverton]

It happens...but that doesn't mean it HAS to happen.

When it does it's someone's failure. And Alderweireld and Herrera aren't local lads who support their current clubs, so there's less of a hold on them.

That lad Barkley should have been kept onside and a new contract sorted out. It takes diplomacy to ensure that happens. Sadly I see a club that does its talking in the media these days instead of keeping it in-house.

That's certainly been Koeman's approach. The player has obviously decided to go now but still ranks as bad management that he wasn't offered a deal at the end of season 2015/16.

 

[davek]

That's certainly been Koeman's approach. The player has obviously decided to go now but still ranks as bad management that he wasn't offered a deal at the end of season 2015/16.

If nothing else we all should be fuming over the fact he'll be sold to a peer club for relative buttons and will strengthen them. That should unite all sides on the Barkley debate.

 

[jceverton]

Dave, you do know that from 2014 until 2016 - the recruitment was done by Mitchell, not Levy, surprisingly most of the very very good deals spurs got over the line came during that time, Mitchell resigned in august last season due to Levy sticking his nose into player recruitment and meddling about fees etc - last deal he did was apparently the Wanyama one, since they placed him on gardening leave they bought Janseen and Sissoko.

Mitchell btw was the guy who worked in a player recruitment role at Saints for Pocch as well and followed him to Spurs.

Son, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Trippier, Davies, Alli, Dier brought in for roughly 70-75m

He was brought in after Spurs spunked 100m+ up the wall after the sale of Bale, people brought in by Levy, including lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Capaou, Chireches, and after he left they brought in Sissoko and Janssen.


Levy much like Kenwright has a reputation for getting the most for players he sells, but his record at buying players is absolutely awful by and large (as evidenced by pretty much 7 of the spurs starting 11 will be players brought in by Mitchell or who came through the academy.

Spurs Wembley move and the evidence of Levy/Pocch in buying players without Mitchell is a worry for spurs fans

Good post mate, interesting stuff on Spurs. No doubt their recruitment policy straight after Bale wasn't great and the Sissoko one was a puzzle at the time but a lucky escape for us!

 

[jceverton]

still think for whatever reason he spent WAY too much time after that in the gym and bulked up far far too much, lost a lot of his zip and acceleration

Think that definitely happened. He looked a lot slimmer and was better for it last season.

 

[bluestevon]

Good post mate, interesting stuff on Spurs. No doubt their recruitment policy straight after Bale wasn't great and the Sissoko one was a puzzle at the time but a lucky escape for us!

Both Alderweireld and Wanyama where also brought to Saints whilst Mitchell was part of the recruitment team as well.

How highly he is rated can be glimpsed by after he resigned, Spurs refused to accept it (his contract ran out this summer) and instead sent him on gardening leave from the club for a year - in order that he couldn't join anyone else.

Like Walsh at Leicester and to a differing extend Dein at Arsenal - there is a lot of people behind the scenes at successful clubs who are as important as any manager in reality