Koeman: "Barkley looking for a new challenge"

[vagant59]

If nothing else we all should be fuming over the fact he'll be sold to a peer club for relative buttons and will strengthen them. That should unite all sides on the Barkley debate.

He will be sold because that is what Ross Barkley wants.Let that piece of information sink in between the two pips you have upstairs

 

[jceverton]

EFC is a business and Ross a major asset of that business. Every effort should have been made 2 years ago to convince Ross to sign to protect that assest from dramatic depreciation completely irrelevant of what was happening on the pitch.
It doesn't appear that was done and if so, from a purely business perspective, the club have messed up here.

Exactly, whether you rate Barkley or not this is incompetence. Not the first time and the fact that Elstone is still in a job is baffling.

 

[roydo]

this is incompetence.

How so?

 

[Elong]

Exactly, whether you rate Barkley or not this is incompetence. Not the first time and the fact that Elstone is still in a job is baffling.

You can't force someone to sign a contract. The offer on the table is more than fair. It really is quite simply, he wants to leave. Why can't people stop looking for the whys and whats and just accept this?

 

[jceverton]

Its easy to say the club messed up cos they didnt offer a contract 18 months ago. If anything, the players agent messed up by not asking for one. Thats what he is paid for.

Then, when we did offer one, he turned it down. Sad, but 100% at the feet of Ross/Agent.

Some folk tried to be clever. And/or, off field stuff pitched up. Either way, one of them.

*shrugs*

This is totally illogical. Ross is a massive asset for the club, that's why we should have been doing what we did with Lukaku, offering a new deal 30 months before current deal runs out. The club are the ones who lose by not sorting out a deal.

His agent benefits more if he is either sold or offered a big signing on fee if his contract runs out.

In this situation the club can only do its job properly and that's to protect its asset by offering a deal well in advance. That's the only thing the club can control, it can't control what the player/agent does. The club failed to do this. This is not rocket science it's basic contract management.

 

[ilikecheese]

I can't believe the club didn't put a gun to his head and make him sign or die. It's a joke really.

 

[Elong]

This is totally illogical. Ross is a massive asset for the club, that's why we should have been doing what we did with Lukaku, offering a new deal 30 months before current deal runs out. The club are the ones who lose by not sorting out a deal.

His agent benefits more if he is either sold or offered a big signing on fee if his contract runs out.

In this situation the club can only do its job properly and that's to protect its asset by offering a deal well in advance. That's the only thing the club can control, it can't control what the player/agent does. The club failed to do this. This is not rocket science it's basic contract management.

WE. OFFERED. HIM. A. VERY. REASONABLE. DEAL.

He's not a car ffs.

 

[roydo]

In this situation the club can only do its job properly and that's to protect its asset by offering a deal well in advance. That's the only thing the club can control, it can't control what the player/agent does. The club failed to do this. This is not rocket science it's basic contract management.

Making the huge assumption that the club didnt have talks back then, and if we did, a contract would have been signed.

Its a mess, dont get me wrong, but to label it incompetent by the club is maybe a tad one eyed.

 

[jceverton]

You can't force someone to sign a contract. The offer on the table is more than fair. It really is quite simply, he wants to leave. Why can't people stop looking for the whys and whats and just accept this?

Of course you can't force someone to sign a contract. What you can do is make a contract offer in 2015/16. How does it make the player feel when you're offering Lukaku a deal 30 months before his contract runs out but only offering you one with 18 months to go. Everton should be doing their job, if players decides to leave then fine.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Watch these highlights from Martínez first game when Barkley scored that screamer on YouTube, his performance that day was superb. I wish we could have THAT Barkley back again, what happened Ross?

Martinez got to him. Simple as that, he filled the lads head with nonsense massed his game up. Back then Ross played based on his instincts but Martinez got him to slow down and overthink everything all the while telling him he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Its runined the lad, he isn't half the player he was.

 

[jceverton]

Making the huge assumption that the club didnt have talks back then, and if we did, a contract would have been signed.

Its a mess, dont get me wrong, but to label it incompetent by the club is maybe a tad one eyed.

I don't think I'm making any assumption. It's clear from comments that we didn't start contract negotiation until well into last season.

You're also missing my point, I'm not assuming he would have signed in 2015/16 if we'd have offered him a deal. I'm just pointing out that the only thing we can control is doing our job properly, which we haven't done. We can't control whether Barkley signs or not but we can control when we offer him a deal.

 

[bag a yoko]

Jeffers MKII

 

[roydo]

Of course you can't force someone to sign a contract. What you can do is make a contract offer in 2015/16. How does it make the player feel when you're offering Lukaku a deal 30 months before his contract runs out but only offering you one with 18 months to go. Everton should be doing their job, if players decides to leave then fine.

Poor lamb.

He pays an agent to sort that, Not Everton.

 

[Elong]

I don't think I'm making any assumption. It's clear from comments that we didn't start contract negotiation until well into last season.

You're also missing my point, I'm not assuming he would have signed in 2015/16 if we'd have offered him a deal. I'm just pointing out that the only thing we can control is doing our job properly, which we haven't done. We can't control whether Barkley signs or not but we can control when we offer him a deal.

Obviously the club and yourself have two different valuations of the player. I'm with the club.

 

[jceverton]

WE. OFFERED. HIM. A. VERY. REASONABLE. DEAL.

He's not a car ffs.

Maybe we did but the fact remains we should have offered it 12 months earlier. If he'd have turned it down then we would have been in a stronger position to sell him. That is we're selling him with 24 months left on his contract, not 12.