BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I now realise why this thread is 98 pages long.... smh.:blink:
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You're either stupid, never actually played/watched football, a WUM, or all three at once.
Either way, you're massively entertaining - like the Everton Forum in a microcosm, or - as someone once said - "it's like Damon moved to Southend". Kudos to you.
Obviously this.
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Ye,the way he is being portrayed we must have one of the worst defenders in the prem,F++++n unbelievable
The only thing that matters is this: Baines is far too good going forward to ever worry about any defensive frailties. The seesaw is so heavily weighted in favour of his attacking that any counter-argument is non-sensical.
His value to the team is clear to all - and I don't believe anyone is seriously worried about him not tracking back.
His value to the team is clear to all - and I don't believe anyone is seriously worried about him not tracking back.
kenada_blue
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It's not about him being in the dark (he's gone in for him) , it's about him dictating the price United will bid for him.
It's daft to think he's marched in and gone, £12mill will do for Baines fellers, I know this so get it done. And they've walked off with his "blessing" and put a bid in.
End of the day, they looked to make the same or similar bid last season. United will have a max they'll go for and start low before going up. Moyes won't be pulling now strings when it comes to how much Man United are willing to spend.
Unless you think he's got that much power over there.
Essex Blue
Player Valuation: £10m
Just because he chooses to gamble on an attack whether it be through tactics or design, doesn't take away the fact it's a choice that leaves our defence vulnerable and wanting after conceding a goal.
You can argue that it isn't as bad because there is a deliberate choice to place his defence in jeopardy through attempting to instigate a successful attack, but the end result is the same, Baines' attacking actions make a defence more vulnerable to conceding a goal, and that is what the United fans are wary of, and why many people don't think of him as a great defender.
Ahhh gotcha. That makes more sense.
Moyes wouldn't set the bidding price but he's definitely instructed them to raid us for Baines.
Which, of course, makes him a massive snide, but I don't blame him for doing so in the slightest. He'd be mad not to really - Evra is getting on, Buttner isn't the best really, Fabio is pretty poor too... if he can land a left back like Baines then he's going to do so as he's the Man Utd manager, not Everton's.
Essex Blue
Player Valuation: £10m
If you can't see that his neglection of his defensive duties through trying to instigate attacks results in him providing less defensive protection, then god help you.
If you can finally grasp that, then you will finally realise that he provides less defensive protection than Seamus Coleman.
I totally agree, I said "messin" the other day, I would think less of Moyes, as a man, if he didnt come in for the best LB in World Football, 12m is a joke of a price and lets face it, they knew we would decline.
Its all about Baines himself tho really, I certainly wouldnt blame the lid if he wanted to "test" himself in the CL.
I would be gutted, but not angry.
kenada_blue
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Exactly. Moyes is over for me the minute that Chelsea game finished last season. Therefore he's just another opposition manager at a club wanting one of our top players, which is a given.
But I certainly separate the bid from the manager as it's not his place to dictate how much a club value a player he wants to buy. They'll have a budget too, and I'd be pissed off with us if we blew most of a budget on full back when we need more important roles filling.
I think he'll go for around £18-20m. Possibly £18m with Buttner actually, something like that.
But, like you, I'd respect Moyes more for doing it. It's the action of a winner, who doesn't give a crap about anything other than winning. Given I definitely don't believe Moyes is a winner, it'd be a surprise, but it'd definitely earn a bit of respect from me, and I might begin to think he's possibly up for the job at Old Trafford.
That said, I still 110% believe he's going to bottle it massively and finish 3rd next year. That's where you and I differ really
I think he'll go for around £18-20m. Possibly £18m with Buttner actually, something like that.
But, like you, I'd respect Moyes more for doing it. It's the action of a winner, who doesn't give a crap about anything other than winning. Given I definitely don't believe Moyes is a winner, it'd be a surprise, but it'd definitely earn a bit of respect from me, and I might begin to think he's possibly up for the job at Old Trafford.
That said, I still 110% believe he's going to bottle it massively and finish 3rd next year. That's where you and I differ really
Im not convinced he will win anything.
I think Fergie gave them an extra 20% on the pitch, the squad they have, a few gems apart, RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, on his day, is utter turd and unless he signs some players of real quality, Baines, I think he will really struggle.
I'm worried that I'm agreeing with you literally word for word. Going to make a doctors appointment.
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