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Liverpool v Everton. 28th Jan at 20.00.

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You make it sound like we're taking a knife to a gunfight.

How is saying we can compete with best 11 v 11 taking a knife to a gunfight?

And I said we do for the most part draw/win these...which is to our great credit.

That's not the same as saying we inevitably face certain death going into them...which is the point of the knife/gunfight jibe.
 
I'm pretty much a silent poster on here, only a handful of posts to my name.... but, am I the only one, who yes, last night was an embarrassment, but I am still positive about the entire season and our prospects of being in the champions league next season?
 
It's done with now, onwards and upwards boys!!

On the penalty thing now, there's been a few similar penalties given this season in various games (mostly where there has been little or no contact) but the only red card I can recall was Tim against Sunderland. No consistency in refereeing is there.
I thought Atkinson played well for Liverpool overall.
 
Ah well I'd dreamt of a display of sexy football and clinical finishing to get us a rare three points at anfield but the reality was as ugly as a Louis Suarez/Martin skirtel crossbreed they just wanted it more and had quality up front but hopefully this result will force kenwrights pockets open and get us a forward who is both fit to play and hopefully knows how to hit the target a lot better than the blues who threw coins at the rat last night !

And they're still ********s
 
What I am disappointed about is the fact we have no leadership on the pitch, When we went a goal down that was when we needed some leadership,we had another hour to go and plenty of time to,get back in the game and there was no one there to get a grip of things, our Captain was running around like some of the other headless chickens
 

What I am disappointed about is the fact we have no leadership on the pitch, When we went a goal down that was when we needed some leadership,we had another hour to go and plenty of time to,get back in the game and there was no one there to get a grip of things, our Captain was running around like some of the other headless chickens

That's one of the most disappointing things for me too.

We had everything - literally everything - going for us pre-game. Baines had just signed a new contract ending all speculation, Barkley and Pienaar had been training on the sly to surprise everybody who thought they wouldn't make it, manager went to Old Trafford and won first time and had us believe we could do it here too, fans supremely confident and the RS nursing a few injuries themselves.

On the pitch we had Jagielka, Baines and Howard who should've been able to keep it tight at the back and lead the team, plus Barry in midfield to take the bull by the horns.

Really disappointing we just crumbled like a David Moyes team of yesteryear.
 
Need fearless young-uns like Deulofeu and Barkley.
Neat wide wizzards like Mirallas and McGeady.
Strong, unshakable, fit back four.
Composed distribution and breakup from the middle.
A recognised and reliable striker.

Last night we were woeful. Looked like the rickety bridge from The Temple of Doom.
I'm certain they all dropped acid before the game because nobody knew what was going on.
 
Need fearless young-uns like Deulofeu and Barkley.
Neat wide wizzards like Mirallas and McGeady.
Strong, unshakable, fit back four.
Composed distribution and breakup from the middle.
A recognised and reliable striker.

Last night we were woeful. Looked like the rickety bridge from The Temple of Doom.
I'm certain they all dropped acid before the game because nobody knew what was going on.

You can't just have a team full of 19 year olds though.

Start Traore and bring on Lukaku with 30minutes to go and I guarentee he will score 7 goals in 10 games.
 
Like a comedy of errors ,theatre of the absurd, caught out by hoof ball route one not once but three times. Gutted and hungover. At least am not in the pool I would have to go into hiding.
Perspective wise , loss of three points was the outcome points that can be gained and hopefully we see a reaction from the team .But am shell shocked.
 
Right. I think I've just about recovered from the harrowing nightmare that was my first ever visit to Anfield. I was 'seated' (we stood the whole game) Block 124, Row 2 Seat 101. Right behind the goal, right next to the kopites. The view was abysmal aside from the 18 yard box, from which I got a perfect view of Howard picking the ball out of his net 3 times and not much else. Being pitchside meant we were open to the elements and we got rained on for most of the match. It was just so bad that I couldn't summon the emotional charge you need to really have a good post-match fume. I merely trundled off, dumbstruck by just how bad a 90 minutes it was that I'd had to endure. It was just torture.

As regards our performance, well in truth we'd been threatening it for some time; been lowering our standards game-by-game, players were starting to lose form, we've generally been out of sorts for and the big issue is that for the first time it is our character not our quality that is being asked to stand up and count. When things aren't going well and you haven't got that innate confidence in your team-mates or yourself, what will you do? Survive, or crumble?

Well, we've completely crumbled.
We wanted to the time to ease ourselves into the match - there wasn't any;
We wanted the space through the middle to play our game - there was none;
We wanted final passes to arrive without the risk, invention or incisiveness required - we made none;
We needeed leadership of both a commanding and inspiring nature either to ensure every player was aware of theeir responsibilities for our solidity and shape or to get hold of the ball from a defence that was clearly struggling to start the play and shoulder that transfer of possession from first to middle third we so sorely lacked, or to refuse to allow the team's collective head to drop when we conceded any one of the goals we did - there weren't any.
In short, we wanted an easy ride.

And I think that was the crucial element. We went to a Merseyside derby at Anfield will far too many favourable conditions required to perform. Martinez claims we can impose ourselves anywhere and I've no doubt we have the quality - as I said we have thoroughly enjoyed proving that all season - but do we have the mental strength? We looked in promising shape in those first 20 minutes but - from a corner of all things - we conceded a poor first goal and you could see the immediate impact, the deflation. Suddenly Barry was panicking in possession, Alcaraz had gone from Beckenbaur to Boyce and Jagielka & Howard resorted to the safety of the long punt.

We give the ball away cheaply, defence positioned poorly, 2-0. We let a long ball bounce, poorly positioned, Howard races off his line into an even worse position (frankly terrible), 3-0. It happened so quickly, so easily and so chaotically that the mental impact was just enormous. We were absolutely shellshocked AND, worst of all, when we came out second half as if roused by some inspirational team talk and had 5 minutes bossing the game with aggressive, incisive attacking play we looked like we'd settled in perfectly, before promptly giving the ball away in our own half and the first time a Liverpool player touches the ball thanks to our mistake, he ends up scoring. That was just killer, because we'd actually managed to regroup well. Then, all hope lost, we just slid into a cautious, pedestrian sideways and backwards game because we just didn't have the heart to take the game to them.

The Liverpool game is done now, as I said I suffered so much particularly in those last 40 minutes that the result doesn't affect me as much, because I've already experienced rock bottom. In the grand scheme of things it's a defeat and 3 points gone, but that's it. Plenty more points to play for: namely, Villa this weekend.

Villa is now the biggest game of our season, without a shadow of a doubt. They play the same style as Liverool; they are perfect for exploiting the weaknesses in a possession-based team low on confidence, like how they did a number on Arsenal at the start of the year. If we play anything like the Derby, Villa will win. They've got an annoyingly good record here as well.

This will really tell us what this team have got. I'm anxious already, but I happily await being made to look a fool for worrying.

Allez Allez Allez O
 
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Right. I think I've just about recovered from the harrowing nightmare that was my first ever visit to Anfield. I was 'seated' (we stood the whole game) Block 124, Row 2 Seat 101. Right behind the goal, right next to the kopites. The view was abysmal aside from the 18 yard box, from which I got a perfect view of Howard picking the ball out of his net 3 times and not much else. Being pitchside meant we were open to the elements and we got rained on for most of the match. It was just so bad that I couldn't summon the emotional charge you need to really have a good post-match fume. I merely trundled off, dumbstruck by just how bad a 90 minutes it was that I'd had to endure. It was just torture.

As regards our performance, well in truth we'd been threatening it for some time; been lowering our standards game-by-game, players were starting to lose form, we've generally been out of sorts for and the big issue is that for the first time it is our character not our quality that is being asked to stand up and count. When things aren't going well and you haven't got that innate confidence in your team-mates or yourself, what will you do? Survive, or crumble?

Well, we've completely crumbled.
We wanted to the time to ease ourselves into the match - there wasn't any;
We wanted the space through the middle to play our game - there was none;
We wanted final passes to arrive without the risk, invention or incisiveness required - we made none;
We needeed leadership of both a commanding and inspiring nature either to ensure every player was aware of theeir responsibilities for our solidity and shape or to get hold of the ball from a defence that was clearly struggling to start the play and shoulder that transfer of possession from first to middle third we so sorely lacked, or to refuse to allow the team's collective head to drop when we conceded any one of the goals we did - there weren't any.
In short, we wanted an easy ride.

And I think that was the crucial element. We went to a Merseyside derby at Anfield will far too many favourable conditions required to perform. Martinez claims we can impose ourselves anywhere and I've no doubt we have the quality - as I said we have thoroughly enjoyed proving that all season - but do we have the mental strength? We looked in promising shape in those first 20 minutes but - from a corner of all things - we conceded a poor first goal and you could see the immediate impact, the deflation. Suddenly Barry was panicking in possession, Alcaraz had gone from Beckenbaur to Boyce and Jagielka & Howard resorted to the safety of the long punt.

We give the ball away cheaply, defence positioned poorly, 2-0. We let a long ball bounce, poorly positioned, Howard races off his line into an even worse position (frankly terrible), 3-0. It happened so quickly, so easily and so chaotically that the mental impact was just enormous. We were absolutely shellshocked AND, worst of all, when we came out second half as if roused by some inspirational team talk and had 5 minutes bossing the game with aggressive, incisive attacking play we looked like we'd settled in perfectly, before promptly giving the ball away in our own half and the first time a Liverpool player touches the ball thanks to our mistake, he ends up scoring. That was just killer, because we'd actually managed to regroup well. Then, all hope lost, we just slid into a cautious, pedestrian sideways and backwards game because we just didn't have the heart to take the game to them.

The Liverpool game is done now, as I said I suffered so much particularly in those last 40 minutes that the result doesn't affect me as much, because I've already experienced rock bottom. In the grand scheme of things it's a defeat and 3 points gone, but that's it. Plenty more points to play for: namely, Villa this weekend.

Villa is now the biggest game of our season, without a shadow of a doubt. They play the same style as Liverool; they are perfect for exploiting the weaknesses in a possession-based team low on confidence, like how they did a number on Arsenal at the start of the year. If we play anything like the Derby, Villa will win. They've got an annoyingly good record here as well.

This will really tell us what this team have got. I'm anxious already, but I happily await being made to look a fool for worrying.

Allez Allez Allez O

Can't argue too much with that assessment. Still, I retain I've endured much worse Anfield derbies. We had a go for once, it failed miserably like but still.
 
Right. I think I've just about recovered from the harrowing nightmare that was my first ever visit to Anfield. I was 'seated' (we stood the whole game) Block 124, Row 2 Seat 101. Right behind the goal, right next to the kopites. The view was abysmal aside from the 18 yard box, from which I got a perfect view of Howard picking the ball out of his net 3 times and not much else. Being pitchside meant we were open to the elements and we got rained on for most of the match. It was just so bad that I couldn't summon the emotional charge you need to really have a good post-match fume. I merely trundled off, dumbstruck by just how bad a 90 minutes it was that I'd had to endure. It was just torture.

As regards our performance, well in truth we'd been threatening it for some time; been lowering our standards game-by-game, players were starting to lose form, we've generally been out of sorts for and the big issue is that for the first time it is our character not our quality that is being asked to stand up and count. When things aren't going well and you haven't got that innate confidence in your team-mates or yourself, what will you do? Survive, or crumble?

Well, we've completely crumbled.
We wanted to the time to ease ourselves into the match - there wasn't any;
We wanted the space through the middle to play our game - there was none;
We wanted final passes to arrive without the risk, invention or incisiveness required - we made none;
We needeed leadership of both a commanding and inspiring nature either to ensure every player was aware of theeir responsibilities for our solidity and shape or to get hold of the ball from a defence that was clearly struggling to start the play and shoulder that transfer of possession from first to middle third we so sorely lacked, or to refuse to allow the team's collective head to drop when we conceded any one of the goals we did - there weren't any.
In short, we wanted an easy ride.

And I think that was the crucial element. We went to a Merseyside derby at Anfield will far too many favourable conditions required to perform. Martinez claims we can impose ourselves anywhere and I've no doubt we have the quality - as I said we have thoroughly enjoyed proving that all season - but do we have the mental strength? We looked in promising shape in those first 20 minutes but - from a corner of all things - we conceded a poor first goal and you could see the immediate impact, the deflation. Suddenly Barry was panicking in possession, Alcaraz had gone from Beckenbaur to Boyce and Jagielka & Howard resorted to the safety of the long punt.

We give the ball away cheaply, defence positioned poorly, 2-0. We let a long ball bounce, poorly positioned, Howard races off his line into an even worse position (frankly terrible), 3-0. It happened so quickly, so easily and so chaotically that the mental impact was just enormous. We were absolutely shellshocked AND, worst of all, when we came out second half as if roused by some inspirational team talk and had 5 minutes bossing the game with aggressive, incisive attacking play we looked like we'd settled in perfectly, before promptly giving the ball away in our own half and the first time a Liverpool player touches the ball thanks to our mistake, he ends up scoring. That was just killer, because we'd actually managed to regroup well. Then, all hope lost, we just slid into a cautious, pedestrian sideways and backwards game because we just didn't have the heart to take the game to them.

The Liverpool game is done now, as I said I suffered so much particularly in those last 40 minutes that the result doesn't affect me as much, because I've already experienced rock bottom. In the grand scheme of things it's a defeat and 3 points gone, but that's it. Plenty more points to play for: namely, Villa this weekend.

Villa is now the biggest game of our season, without a shadow of a doubt. They play the same style as Liverool; they are perfect for exploiting the weaknesses in a possession-based team low on confidence, like how they did a number on Arsenal at the start of the year. If we play anything like the Derby, Villa will win. They've got an annoyingly good record here as well.

This will really tell us what this team have got. I'm anxious already, but I happily await being made to look a fool for worrying.

Allez Allez Allez O

Mate, terrible night of course. Especially if you were there. But we are the same team that went to the Emirates and Old Trafford and took the games by the scruff of their necks. I dont think the courage of this group is to be questioned.

Bottom line is we had too many slotting in at positions they weren't really specialists in and regulars were knackered with injuries.

Liverpool took their chance to exploit that. That's it basically. There's no way our team under Martinez backed off them at Goodison in the Derby. We have the mental strength. We just dont have the resources to overcome what's looking like a WWI casualty list.
 
Bottom line is we had too many slotting in at positions they weren't really specialists in
Apart from Stones (who incidentally has played his whole career as a right back before he joined us), who else?

Howard, Alcaraz, Jagielka, Baines, McCarthy, Barry, Pienaar, Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku were all in their favoured positions.
 
Apart from Stones (who incidentally has played his whole career as a right back before he joined us), who else?

Howard, Alcaraz, Jagielka, Baines, McCarthy, Barry, Pienaar, Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku were all in their favoured positions.

...and Naismith going up to replace Lukaku. That plus the injuries just killed us.
 
Alcaraz rushed back, Jagielka rushed back, Pienaar rushed back, Barkley rushed back. As for Lukaku, it wasn't really him for the majority of the game was it? It was Naismith.
 

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